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Old 02-18-2016, 12:45 AM
 
Location: Europe
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Now say that again but this time in 'English English'? bet you say exactly the same thing!

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Old 02-18-2016, 02:26 AM
 
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Protected from who?
Do I really have to say it?

The Soviet Union.

And now Russia, which just gobbled up part of Ukraine.
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Old 02-18-2016, 09:19 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Do I really have to say it?

The Soviet Union.

And now Russia, which just gobbled up part of Ukraine.
You do realise don't you that the defence of the 'West' was a joint NATO responsibility? You do know don't you that it wasn't just American military stationed in Germany during the cold war?


How very unlike an American to try and take all the credit lol.
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Old 02-18-2016, 09:48 AM
 
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Do I really have to say it?

The Soviet Union...
Maybe you're right....when the Americans and the British bombed Bulgaria in WW2 they protected us from the birds as the ruins were great shield against birds **** . You also protected us on September 5th 1944 when the Soviet Union declared us war and entered bulgaria four days later. And once again it was ALL your protection when the Berlin wall felt in 1989.

Ukraine is over 95% Russian at some parts, you can't protect Russia from Russia.
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Old 02-18-2016, 10:35 AM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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How is Islamization forced on Westerners? No one's forcing them to wear hijab or to adopt Islam, or follow certain commandments or dietary restrictions. You don't seem to understand what Islamization means.
I agree that "Islamization" is not forced on any western society. However, I think the fear of "Islamization" of western culture derives from what is either perceived or real regarding that same "Islamization" being the sole foundation for societies ruled by Sharia law. Right or wrong, many westerners fear that this will happen to their societies when they see representations of it locally in the form of women in burqas, violence in response to making a cartoon of Muhammad, etc. The perception/reality that Sharia based societies are ruled by fear is very strong and the fear of living in a society based on that fear feeds on itself to grow. Adding on top of this fear are the cues of Sharia society, already seen today in western countries, that only add fuel to the fire.

I strongly think that the idea of publishing images of Muhammad is a "drawing a line in the sand" sort of activity by which a western culture says it's not okay to cross this line. It's asserting that in western cultures, expressing ones opinion, belief, etc. has no boundaries and it must be respected. When it is not respected and violence erupts, the two societies come to a impasse. I'd agree with those who would say that the western culture takes precedence in this impasse when in a western society.
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Old 02-18-2016, 01:07 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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Why it is kept an "issue" that muslim culture would destroy European culture but American culture add nobody care?

American culture add destroys European cultures as well and has done it faster, better and in all silence and nobofy cry after their own culture (except me of course) ..

And now when muslims are coming, many seemed to wake up and ask what about our own (american-washed) culture?

Is there some new comer ways that you like and hate and some what you miss of your own what is gone and what is still left and you appreciate and would not let go?
The question first off is how do you define "American culture" and "European Culture"? Both areas are so large and diverse that to boil it down to a singular idea seems ill fitting.

Then what exactly did "American culture" destroy in Europe?
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Old 02-18-2016, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Southern Italy
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Well it's very apparent that you are not all that familiar with a subject, and it's all a "hear-say" for you.
The verses that you are quoting, trying to prove that Bible is not different from Koran are taken out of context and can't be used as practical teaching, unlike the teaching of Koran.

So let's start from the very first verse. Does the Bible teach obedience for slaves? Yes it does.
The reason it teaches obedience ( and we do know that the early formations of earlier societies did include slavery) is because Bible's teaching is all about the "order of things," - the way God organized it. The earlier societies with its 'slaves and masters," when certain groups of people/nations were submitted under the other group of people/nations was part of this initial order. So in this context, taking in consideration time when this verse has been written, it perfectly falls into place. The more time was progressing, the more the formations of the societies were changing, and gradually slavery has been abolished, according to God's plan. So you can't use this verse in modern days as indication of Bible's teaching to practice slavery and for "slaves to be obedient."

Next verse;

"Genocide:

This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’ “


This is from the Old Testament, that has little to do with Christianity, other than it tells the pre-history of it. This pre-history goes all the way back to creation of human kind, and we really don't know what kind of people these were, what their morals/values were - we only know that God is saying in this verse that he is the master of it all, and he will be punishing/rewarding some people/nations with the hand of other nations. Yet again - no teaching of "Genocide" as ignorant people are trying to claim, just description of events and manifestation of God being in charge.

Next one;

"Children Abuse:"

“Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them. “


This is not a verse from the New Testament ( which is a teaching of Christianity,) - this is yet again the Proverbs from the OLD Testament - you can read about it here.

What the Bible says about spanking children


"Medical Neglect:

Then comes the question, how do drugs, hygiene, and animal magnetism heal? It may be affirmed that they do not heal, but only relieve suffering temporarily, exchanging one disease for another. We classify disease as error, which nothing but Truth or Mind can heal, and this Mind must be divine, not human. Mind transcends all other power, and will ultimately supersede all other means in healing.â€

This is not even from the Bible.
This is someone's interpretation of the bible, taken from here from what I understand;

Chapter XIV - Recapitulation

Next one;

"And deeply condemns homosexuality:

“If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.â€


Yes it does, but it all has to do with Judaism and with the Old Testament yet again, so you should address this kind of statements to Jews and Muslims, since Old Testament has a lot in common with Koran.

Islam and Homosexuality

So as you can see, it's all hear-say for people who are trying to put the "=" mark between Christianity and Islam.
These people are totally wrong, because they clearly don't understand that Islam has very specific instructions on organization of the society, including organization of the state. Bible does not have such instructions, really, no matter what Catholic Church (in particular) made out of it.
That's why you can make a constitution out of Koran; you can't make a constitution (or any other practical laws) based on the Bible, since Bible does not give any such practical instructions as Koran does.
Honestly i know that the Koran is just as harsh if not more but the Bible has been interpretated by the rule enough times and we saw the results. First the Crusades in the Levant, then in Europe against the eretics to continue for four more centuries with the Inquisition. The truth is that any religion could be interpretated in such a way to justify any kind of violence and that's why every religion's name is tied to a bloodbath or social injustice or another.

You seem to be dismissing my argument because of most of the quotes being part of the Old Testament but that's part of the Bible too and it could also lead misinterpretation and cause further violence but given that you have often used this excuse, i will provide you with further content:

Slavery is also condoned in New Testament for example:

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Seve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God. But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. (1 Peter 2:18-20)

Homosexuality

Infidels and homosexuals are worthy of death (Romans 1:24-32)

Abuse of Women:

So that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored (Titus 2:4-5)

Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. (Colossians 3:18)
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Old 02-19-2016, 01:06 AM
 
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Is american culture the eurocentric culture that the europeans forced on to the natives and africans?
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Old 02-19-2016, 01:13 AM
 
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Is american culture the eurocentric culture that the europeans forced on to the natives and africans?
Yes.
But "Eurocentric" means "Christian" as well.
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Old 02-19-2016, 01:34 AM
 
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Honestly i know that the Koran is just as harsh if not more but the Bible has been interpretated by the rule enough times and we saw the results. First the Crusades in the Levant, then in Europe against the eretics to continue for four more centuries with the Inquisition. The truth is that any religion could be interpretated in such a way to justify any kind of violence and that's why every religion's name is tied to a bloodbath or social injustice or another.
You can't make Sharia law out of the Bible - it's that simple; hence saying that "any religion could be interpreted in such a way to justify ANY kind of violence" is incorrect.



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You seem to be dismissing my argument because of most of the quotes being part of the Old Testament but that's part of the Bible too and it could also lead misinterpretation and cause further violence
Not for long, since the "official church" ( i.e. major denominations) will condemn such interpretations, and those who "misrepresent" Christianity will become a sect.


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but given that you have often used this excuse, i will provide you with further content:

Slavery is also condoned in New Testament for example:

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Seve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God. But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. (1 Peter 2:18-20)
Since the verse you've mentioned first time around already contained the reference to Christ, it was obvious that it was from the New Testament. So the explanation I gave on a subject earlier still stands.

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Homosexuality

Infidels and homosexuals are worthy of death (Romans 1:24-32)
Here is the verses Romans 1:24-32.

Or better else - start from 1:20 and go through to 32.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...2&version=NKJV

It's the retelling of the previous events from the Old Testament.


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Abuse of Women:

So that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored (Titus 2:4-5)

Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. (Colossians 3:18)
Where exactly do you see abuse here?
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