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No, as an Italian i disagree witht he article, the main opposition party that is the Five Star Movement has been euroskeptical until a couple years ago but has changed stance in the last couple months, their goal now is to change the EU from within (the same as Renzi and the ruling party). Italy's only euroskeptical party is Lega Nord which polls at around 15%. Aside from that, Italy is alongside Germany, France and Benelux one of the countries where the citizens seem to believe the most in the European project.
On civil unions, Renzi will most likely force its fellow PD deputees to vote on civil unions making the vote public and imposing political confidence.
The Guardian is right on him neglecting the South and not having enough influence to propose the change of the Dublin agreements. As for the bad banks, i don't like the way he's handled the situation either but i must point out that the Italian banking system is solid on the whole, it's only these local banks who are susceptible to these kind of problems
Well, it is all remote tonight. Renzi lost, and has said he will resigning in the morning. First England, then the US, Then France, and now Italy.
The world is not in a good place right now. In fact, all the work which has been done in the past couple of decades on instilling peace, human rights, environment, education and health care is being pizzed away in a matter of months.
Sadly, the dumber you are, the happier you are. Until they come for YOU, and then who will you turn to?
Well, it is all remote tonight. Renzi lost, and has said he will resigning in the morning. First England, then the US, Then France, and now Italy.
The world is not in a good place right now. In fact, all the work which has been done in the past couple of decades on instilling peace, human rights, environment, education and health care is being pizzed away in a matter of months.
Sadly, the dumber you are, the happier you are. Until they come for YOU, and then who will you turn to?
Quick comment, wrote too early in the morning from a train: with this reform Renzi & co tried to mess up our Constitution, which is actually a pretty good one (at least if compared to the rest). So for us, actually, the fact that the "no" won (by far) can be positive (at least on the long term, the next months will be a mess instead).
Well, it is all remote tonight. Renzi lost, and has said he will resigning in the morning. First England, then the US, Then France, and now Italy.
The world is not in a good place right now. In fact, all the work which has been done in the past couple of decades on instilling peace, human rights, environment, education and health care is being pizzed away in a matter of months.
Sadly, the dumber you are, the happier you are. Until they come for YOU, and then who will you turn to?
Well, it is all remote tonight. Renzi lost, and has said he will resigning in the morning. First England, then the US, Then France, and now Italy.
The world is not in a good place right now. In fact, all the work which has been done in the past couple of decades on instilling peace, human rights, environment, education and health care is being pizzed away in a matter of months.
Sadly, the dumber you are, the happier you are. Until they come for YOU, and then who will you turn to?
where did you see human rights, education and environment deteriorate in a matter of months? I don't see it. Or are you saying only the left is the correct direction? If that's the case, why the hell do we need a democracy?
No, as an Italian i disagree witht he article, the main opposition party that is the Five Star Movement has been euroskeptical until a couple years ago but has changed stance in the last couple months, their goal now is to change the EU from within (the same as Renzi and the ruling party). Italy's only euroskeptical party is Lega Nord which polls at around 15%. Aside from that, Italy is alongside Germany, France and Benelux one of the countries where the citizens seem to believe the most in the European project.
On civil unions, Renzi will most likely force its fellow PD deputees to vote on civil unions making the vote public and imposing political confidence.
The Guardian is right on him neglecting the South and not having enough influence to propose the change of the Dublin agreements. As for the bad banks, i don't like the way he's handled the situation either but i must point out that the Italian banking system is solid on the whole, it's only these local banks who are susceptible to these kind of problems
Do you think Grillo would be going to leave the Euro?
Well, it is all remote tonight. Renzi lost, and has said he will resigning in the morning. First England, then the US, Then France, and now Italy.
The world is not in a good place right now. In fact, all the work which has been done in the past couple of decades on instilling peace, human rights, environment, education and health care is being pizzed away in a matter of months.
Sadly, the dumber you are, the happier you are. Until they come for YOU, and then who will you turn to?
Quick comment, wrote too early in the morning from a train: with this reform Renzi & co tried to mess up our Constitution, which is actually a pretty good one (at least if compared to the rest). So for us, actually, the fact that the "no" won (by far) can be positive (at least on the long term, the next months will be a mess instead).
I agree with Urania93 and improb.
This was simply not only a useless but an absolutely bad reform proposal, the people smartly rejected it.
Though Renzi did a stupid thing and the entire Italian ruling class has neglected the country's chronic economic structural problems for some 25 years now and counting, personally I don't see why he has to resign: politically there are no clearly better alternatives on the horizon; they are all pretty much the same cabal of resource wasters. He might as well stay.
Meanwhile, though Italian banks have indeed been suffering from bad loans, this has been going on since at least 2011, so I see no direct link between that and this referendum result.
What changes really? Nothing.
Some UK tabloids have been exaggerating the importance for the EU/eurozone of this umpteenth waste of time and resources by Italy's uselessly tinkering politicians.
This was simply another failed exercise in infertile domestic masturbation with no climax.
I think somehow they will stave off early elections and limp and jerk along until around February 2018, all the while talking themselves into doing nothing useful. On the other hand, they will speak eloquently and be well dressed while doing it.
It doesn't really matter whether Italy leaves the euro or stays, the problem is neglect and complacency with (lack of) regard to economic policy and management; with or without the euro, the results would be more or less the same.
Having said that, they will probably stay, in spite what Mr. Grillo says.
Good Luck!
Last edited by bale002; 12-05-2016 at 03:59 AM..
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