Tragedy in Nice, France (places, rich, influence, quality)
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A Tunisian national with a history of petty crime and domestic violence. Also reported to having problems with alcohol and drugs.
"However, he was named locally as Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a 31-year-old man living in Nice, known to police but not previously linked to jihadist groups."
"He had been in trouble with the police in the past for petty crime and violence, but he was not on the watch list of radicalised young men."
There are no easy answers to this lone-wolf terrorist criminal problem. Neither are "guns" a solution, or more right-wing governments. All European mainstream political parties be them right-wing, liberal or left-wing, are equally determined to stop these attacks.
you can't detect a van that is about to run into a big crowd and kill everyone it can.
You can control events, block roads with temporary CT Blocks, puit in anti vehicle measures to slow vehicles and you can even look to permanently make an area or event less vulnerable to an attack.
France, and other European countries, are paying the price for allowing refugees into their countries, and so will we. They don't assimilate, nor do they intend to. And when their kids are born here, they're recruited for these unspeakable terrorist acts. It's all about jihad.
This is the third [final] hijra.
Wake up, sheeple.
You are assuming these people are children of refugees, which is questionable.
Yes, it is a savage attack, not unlike western military attacks on Muslim countries except completely unprovoked.
Immigration and non-assimilation is not the key issue. The Chinese didn't assimilate all over the world either but they don't engage in attacks. But if it is really about problems of Islam, then why these attacks only happen in recent years? Muslims are living the Europe for over 100 years.
Logic, people. Use logic before jumping to all sorts of inflammatory conclusions.
You can control events, block roads with temporary CT Blocks, puit in anti vehicle measures to slow vehicles and you can even look to permanently make an area or event less vulnerable to an attacks.
They will only reduce the casualties, at probably very high costs, and it is very difficult to implement in the long run.
If an attacker is preparing to die, it is nearly impossible to prevent him from killing random crowds. Carrying a bomb in public transit? Even a bus can have 40 people and you can't have security checks for each bus.
Western countries should really take another look at foreign policies. 80 lives in France matters a lot, yet nobody gives a damn about 800 innocent direct or indirect victims in Iraq or Syria.
They will only reduce the casualties, at probably very high costs, and it is very difficult to implement in the long run.
They have CT Blocks in the UK, you can use lots of reinforced things even flower beds or advertising hoardings to stop trucks. Whilst in relation to events temporary CT Blocks and Barriers are usually used, there were CT Blocks at Wimbledon just last week. Whilst events like New Years are often carefully managed, and are increasingly ticketed events with streets seeled off.
If an attacker is preparing to die, it is nearly impossible to prevent him from killing random crowds. Carrying a bomb in public transit? Even a bus can have 40 people and you can't have security checks for each bus.
We were talking about Lorries, however in terms of explosives you can also targer harden an area again through good design and planning, whilst you can search peole at an event. Obviously the best solution is credible intelligence in order that you can stop any planned attack, whilst suspicious activity in relation to aquiring products used in explosives is also useful.
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Originally Posted by botticelli
Western countries should really take another look at foreign policies. 80 lives in France matters a lot, yet nobody gives a damn about 800 innocent direct or indirect victims in Iraq or Syria.
Whilst I have every sympathy for people hurt or killed in these countries this does not excuse what occurred in Nice last night and numerous other such terrorist attrocities.
Last edited by Brave New World; 07-15-2016 at 08:31 AM..
You are assuming these people are children of refugees, which is questionable.
Yes, it is a savage attack, not unlike western military attacks on Muslim countries except completely unprovoked.
Immigration and non-assimilation is not the key issue. The Chinese didn't assimilate all over the world either but they don't engage in attacks. But if it is really about problems of Islam, then why these attacks only happen in recent years? Muslims are living the Europe for over 100 years.
Logic, people. Use logic before jumping to all sorts of inflammatory conclusions.
It's a chance in the nature of Islamic followers and teachings. At one time head coverings and burkas were rare even in Islamic countries. Within the past 30 years Muslims have become more hardline and radical rejecting western culture and dress even when living in western countries and putting Sharia law above the laws of the country where they reside. Some believe this change is a symptom of the increased population percentage of Muslims in western countries. As long as their population is low, they're meek and peaceful. Population grows they become more forceful and demand sharia law. I think this is the result of the internet. Social media has become an indoctrination and recruiting tool for Islamic terrorist. No need to be an official member. Just watch videos, get instruction or ideas from others online, receive support network information, then carry out attack.
I am very doubtful of all these attacks. It worries me that is is actually all caused just to start war. To make us all scared... conspiracy theory all right... maybe! But I am very worried about those people who will accuse "Muslims" in general! I have good friends who are and they would not hurt a fly if they can avoid it! Will these attacks fuel wars... but how to stop it... who is really behind it?
Too many questions and too much lack of "real" information. Can we believe the news (I somehow doubt it...)!
My thoughts are with all the families who have lost someone dear to their heart!
The integration process has failed in France, that's just the hard truth. But I don't think the problem is really multiculturalism, or clash of cultures, but something what could be called nonculturalism. People often of immigrant background who doesn't identify with or feel at home in any culture. This terrorist, like the Belgians and the Paris attackers, all shared same traits: not especially religious, a history of petty crime and substance abuse and lack of education. Most of these were self-radicalised, not radical in their upbringing or observant Muslims.
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AmaroW was trying to say the weapons were plastic.
