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Scandinavia is not socialistic. They are among the most free market countries on the planet.
Yes, there is a difference compared to the UK, but the difference between Scandinavia and the UK is less than between the UK and Spain. I never claimed there wouldn't be a difference.
Uk belongs to the anglo economic model,all the 4 models are very different to eachother
British Model
Used by the UK, Ireland, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and the South Asian countries the British model tends to have a welfare state of roughly average size, relative to high-incomeOECD countries, but less comprehensive than those in Scandinavia and much of continental Europe. They have somewhat more poverty and higher inequality. Despite having a smaller welfare state than most Western European countries, the UK, Ireland and Canada do provide, among other things, universal single payer health care, redistribute income and guarantee an income at subsistence level.
Continental European
Used by Austria, France, Germany, Belgium and Luxembourg, the Continental model has strict rules on job protection and a large amount of regulation in industry. However, the labour market has proven to be inflexible and slow to react to globalization. Generous insurance-based unemployment benefits and a well funded welfare state are used to reduce poverty and provide high quality health care. This model can generally be seen as middle ground between the British and Nordic models.
Mediterranean
Used by Italy, Spain, Greece, Portugal, the Mediterranean model is similar to the Continental model, but focuses welfare on generous state-pensions. The labour market is inflexible with the same job protectionism as in the Continental model, but is not good at reducing poverty within the lower end of society.[citation needed]
The Nordic Model
The Nordic Model, mainly refers to Nordic countries Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Finland but some include the Netherlands, also called 'Nordic corporatist' model because of strong influence of the corporatist elements such as labor unions and employers' organizations, advocates a highly developed and government-funded welfare state which provides generous unemployment benefits among other resources for the general public. Labor markets are kept mobile with easy firing and hiring, and government taking care of those laid off with unemployment benefits and retraining. The equality of the Nordic model is achieved through progressive taxation. As a result of the policy, Sweden, Denmark and Norway have the lowest income disparities in the world. Nordic countries have been enjoying high economic and productivity growth, but most remarkably they conquer consistently top spots in world happiness surveys.
The Anglo (British) mentality is way different from the nordic mentality, as you see in the above paragraphs about the economic models, even continental europe (outside mediterranean nations) have more similar prospects to the Nordic countries than the UK does, where everything is about personal success and reaching a high quality without focusing on the coverage. Continental model cares more about providing services for everybody and reaching it to most of the population , although sometimes in decrement of the quality. Nordic model successfuly combines both.
even continental europe (outside mediterranean nations) have more similar prospects to the Nordic countries than the UK does, where everything is about personal success and reaching a high quality without focusing on the coverage.
If you ever been to the UK (or better said mini America) you would inmediately notice that. The UK is very non-focused on benefiting the masses and focuses on productivity and personal success, no wonder most of the poorer areas in western eruope are found in Britain...
If you ever been to the UK (or better said mini America) you would inmediately notice that. The UK is very non-focused on benefiting the masses and focuses on productivity and personal success, no wonder most of the poorer areas in western eruope are found in Britain...
These include support for a "universalist" welfare state aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy and promoting social mobility; a corporatist system involving a tripartite arrangement where representatives of labor and employers negotiate wages and labor market policy mediated by the government;[6] and a commitment to widespread private ownership, free markets and free trade.[7]
Strong property rights, contract enforcement, and overall ease of doing business.[11]
Low barriers to free trade.[12] This is combined with collective risk sharing (social programs, labour market institutions) which has provided a form of protection against the risks associated with economic openness.[10]
The Nordic labor market is flexible, with laws making it easy for employers to hire and shed workers or introduce labor-saving technology. To mitigate the negative effect on workers, the government labor market policies are designed to provide generous social welfare, job retraining and relocation to limit any conflicts between capital and labor that might arise from this process.[7]
Economic system
The Nordic model is underpinned by a free market capitalist economic system that features high degrees of private ownership[5] with the exception of Norway, which includes a large number of state-owned enterprises and state ownership in publicly listed firms.[22]
The U.K. was the first nation in the world to be industrialized! Why would they care about following "small"(in terms of influence) nations such as Scandinavian nations? The British Empire was the largest empire in the known history of mankind! Additionally for over a century was the foremost global power in the world. At one time, there was even a phrase to describe it, "the empire on which the sun never sets". Great, influential nations came out of British colonies such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the United States of America (the world's superpower), etc...
Language: Its more related to languages of western and northern europe (german, dutch, danish, icelandic, norwegian), however it has far more influences from southern europe than any of those other languages do, specially influences from french and latin.
Culture: British culture seems to be highly competitive and individualistic, which is a contrast with the more egalitarian and uniform cultures of Scandinavia, The Netherlands and Even Germany (to lesser extent) where there is also highly productive working culture but higher emphasis in collective goals as opposed to the clear focus on personal success as is the case in the UK .
Ethnic Origins: Opposed to the popular culture myths, most origins of modernday British Islanders originate from the atlantic seaboard, which used to be the ancient brythonic tribes homeland, which were related to ancient basques and atlantic french populations. The anglo-saxon, norman, viking, roman ,etc account only for 10-30% of their ancestors depending what part of the Isle you are in.
Architecture: British architecture seems to have a lot in common with belgium and netherlands but at the same time stone houses are much more common as vestigues of the ancient british megalith culture, and pretty much a lot of the architecture found in the Isles has no paraleel to anything you can find in the continent.
Personally I consider Britain to be British, and to be very different from the rest of northern europe.
Scandinavian countries, the netherlands and Germany germany (specially the northern areas) have many things in common, such as being highly egalitarian, laid back, progressive and collective cultures with individualistic elements, but the goal is often collective progress which is often reflected in their high index of social politics and excellent welfare and health systems. Personal relationships are more simple and tribal, which is some ways make things simpler and handier to governate.
The UK seems to be a lot more like france in many ways, more complex character, humor, dating scene and human relationships in general, I see more expectations with the people, overall I think the UK has a far more complex culture, with France, Italy and spain on lesser extent.
Thats why I personally consider the UK to be part of western europe, rather than Northern Euroe.
I would like to hear some opinions about that.
This is not an opinion but a fact. The United kingdom is located in Northern Europe. Other Northern European nations are in Scandinavia and the Baltic regions. However it is more in the northwest while Baltic nations are more in the northeast and Scandinavia lays in between.
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This is not an opinion but a fact. The United kingdom is located in Northern Europe. Other Northern European nations are in Scandinavia and the Baltic regions. However it is more in the northwest while Baltic nations are more in the northeast and Scandinavia lays in between.
Scotland is geographically in Northern Europe. But Brits live in the south of England which is geographically Western Europe. (same latitude as Belgium and Netherlands)
Yes concerning your statement:"Ethnic Origins: Opposed to the popular culture myths, most origins of modernday British Islanders originate from the atlantic seaboard, which used to be the ancient brythonic tribes homeland, which were related to ancient basques and atlantic french populations. The anglo-saxon, norman, viking, roman ,etc account only for 10-30% of their ancestors depending what part of the Isle you are in."
O.K. that's your opinion. You seem to always link British to Basques? What is it?
Now based on the most recent scientific evidence (People of the British Isles Project) results in 2015, there is no particular link to the Basques. Britons are not Basques as you suppose. The first waves of arrivals to Britain, crossed by land bridges when sea levels were so low that Britain was attached to what is today northern Germany. This wave was dominated by people with genomes similar to modern-day inhabitants of northern Germany and Belgium. Additionally shortly after came migrants from the west coast of France. Traces of the combined DNA of all these three pioneer settlers forms the basis for the genetic make-up of all White Britons. So in other words the basis genetic make-up of the Ancient Brythonic people were similar to the people of northern Germany, Belgium and coastal France.
Out of these invaders (Romans, Anglo-Saxons, Normans), it is the Anglo-Saxons who made the second biggest genetic impact on the Britons. These were a Germanic-speaking people who came originally from Denmark and again northern Germany. Their genetic impact was strongest in the part of Britain, where they first settled in what is now modern England.
"10-30%?"
According to studies released published in January 2016, led Stefan Schiffels, first author of the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute, Cambridgeshire (England) and the Max Planck Institute (Germany), Dr Duncan Sayer, archaeologist and author on the paper from the University of Central Lancashire (England), Dr Richard Durbin, senior author at the Sanger Institute.
The Anglo-Saxon genome account for 30% for both the modern Welsh and Scottish populations, and is higher in the English population.
This illustrated map helps us understand which group of people had the strongest impact on the ethnic Britons based on the scientific study done by the POBI project.
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