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Mibazn: You seem to claim that France has failed in integration of it Muslim compared to other countries but is that really true ?
I don't think so and most studies don't show it.
Are these ideas are based on realities or on stereotypes ?
My comment was about France and Belgium. Failed when comparing to other countries. It seems like France and Belgium have higher problems with integration of Maghrebis (considering the large number of them i speak about minority among them, but higher share compared to other muslik groups)
Especially if you compare Moroccans with Turks there is huge difference in radicalization, not integration. We can discuss who do you think is integrated. There are strong turkish communities that are not integrated in host country society. But this topic is about islamists and terrorism and there seems to be clear difference between various groups of people.
When we realize there are many muslim communities in Europe, Moroccans seems to be the least integrated/especially 2nd and 3rd generation. Not the same as Moroccans in Spain or Italy where are those people mostly immigrants not descendents and far less problematic/also in large numbers, 2nd largest immigrant group in both countries after Romanians
99,99999% of them assimilate and accept French values that s also why they left their country for France.
Stop reading anglo Saxon propaganda!
How do you explain that most terrorist attacks in Europe in the last 12 months are in France, and most of the Terrorists are French citizens?
Also here is from French media regarding a poll on French Muslims:
When asked if they considered the Islamic legal and moral code of sharia to be more important than the French Republic’s laws, 29 percent of respondents answered “yes.”
The poll found that 20 percent of male Muslim respondents and 28 percent of female Muslim respondents were in favour of the face veil, the niqab, and of the burqa which covers both face and body.
Another 60 percent said they were in favour of letting girls and women wear a head scarf at schools and universities which is forbidden at France’s secular public institutions. http://www.france24.com/en/20160918-...aws-poll-finds
Are you sure they hate Sweden more than they hate Spain, considering Spain's history as a colonial power in the Islamic world vis a vis Sweden's lack of colonial history?
Well Muslims in Sweden are at a higher percent than in Spain. Countries with a higher percent of muslims can bring greater problems.
Me I not against Muslims in a country, yet there needs to be a quota especially on Muslim immigration and a change in immigration policy where the open door immigration especially from Muslim countries have had serious tensions and will continue to do so, and I much prefer them to assimilate.
You seem to confuse different things.
Muslims in France and refugees in Calais. (It's two very different things).
Refugees in Calais never intended to settle in France, they mostly come from former British colonies, most of them speak english but no french and many have already some family in UK.
They are in France because France is in the way. They are stranded in Calais because the French/UK border is there.
Nevertheless the fact is that there are thousands of people risking their lives to get out of France and in to the UK, there is not one single human being trying to go the 'other way' :-)
Now the problem here is what kind of people are there - France and Belgium failed in integration and Maghrebis are pretty problematic people. France is full of Maghrebis -largest immigrant group and huge majority of muslims are from Maghreb or 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation.
Also problem with French culture is that insist everyone is French, they are not enumerating religion, race or ethnicity and everyone is supposed to be French, while in some other countries you know you belong to minority and it is not such pressure on immigrants. Number of muslims from West Africa is smaller than Maghrebis, but Maghrebis are much more problematic than muslims from West Africa i think/Senegal, Mali and so on.oblemsnned
OMG, What are you talking about?
Muslim integration in France is a success.
It is not Because 5 or 10 people have caused some problems in France that you can make stupid generalisations.
We are not the USA or the UK where racial problems happen every day between all ethnic communities.
Nevertheless the fact is that there are thousands of people risking their lives to get out of France and in to the UK, there is not one single human being trying to go the 'other way' :-)
What a stupid comment! Ofcourse refugees who go In France are not going through the UK...
""Ohoh. I am refugee and to go to France, I am going to cross Britain first""
Refugees who go to the UK must go In France first...
But we have many Syrian refugees who leave the UK after only two or three months There to come back to France..even if British media don t speak about it. (From the UK to France, There is NO control, No ID control)
2015
Number of refugees from Spain, Italy , Germany who went to France:
98 000 with 36 000 asylum seekers
Number of refugees from France who try to go to the UK:
5000 / 10 000 => the same people in 2013,2014,2015,2016 who did not succeed to cross the Channel.
The UK is hell for refugees. Just ask them! Only a very small minority with strong ties with the UK are trying to go to the UK.
So stop living in a typical British buble. You are totally brainwashed like all British people. It is incredible.
Last edited by amaroW; 09-22-2016 at 10:13 AM..
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