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Old 10-26-2016, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Pennsylvania / Dull Germany
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So why don´t you stop being a selfish racist xenophobe?
Wooohooo... I expected that comment somewhere on page 1.

Finally!
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Old 10-26-2016, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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Nobody said they were all illiterate. Read the stats you posted, they are concerning. Half didn't even finish high school. There are many illiterates as college grads.
Actually even being able to go to school is not that obvious. I remember when I arrived here and took Italian lessons, there was a 12 year old Pakistani kid who was coming to the lessons as well, and when we asked him where he went to school he just said that he didn'. He said that he had gone with his parents to register to middle school, but the school principal answered that they were full and that there was nothing he could do.

That baffled us because school is mandatory for every kid from age 6 to 16 in this country, even foreign kids, and basically the school did not want to bother taking one more foreign kid. Some friends went to the school with him, then brought some journalist with them, which led to a mini-scandal and the kid ended up going to middle school like he wanted to.

There have been several cases here in Bologna where schools refused foreign kids whereas it is mandatory for them to go and they can not refuse them, and since foreigners can not have a clear understanding on how bureaucracy works here (even for Italians it is difficult), many of them might end up falling through the cracks unfortunately.
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Old 10-27-2016, 04:17 AM
 
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Actually, many migrants are well educated and have skills, except that almost no one imagines that the nigerian dude who just got out the ship can fix computers, has knowledge in law or is a teacher.

Some of then are illiterate, but by experience it is a minority. Most I have met can write in their own language, and quite a few can speak English and / or French.
Not really, most refugees were asked in France what did they know about France.
Most of them said "what we know about France is that helicopters send perfume on people walking in the street"...
I am not against accepting refugees but most of them are illiterate and it is a reality.
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Old 10-27-2016, 06:58 AM
 
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It sounds like an economic stymulus. $320,000 injected in the system to put people to work, it is not like migrants will keep those $320,000. It beats trickle down Americans love so much.
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Old 10-27-2016, 07:07 AM
 
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Not really, most refugees were asked in France what did they know about France.
Most of them said "what we know about France is that helicopters send perfume on people walking in the street"...
I am not against accepting refugees but most of them are illiterate and it is a reality.
Western mass cult was meant to project illusions inside and out, I see it has overwhelming impact on the unprepared African minds, perhaps westerners should insist on mass cult products reflecting reality more illusions less, better yet 100% truth about generic European/American life, that alone should scare away tribally minded people, it would be like a vision of hell for them.
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Old 10-27-2016, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Pennsylvania / Dull Germany
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It sounds like an economic stymulus. $320,000 injected in the system to put people to work, it is not like migrants will keep those $320,000. It beats trickle down Americans love so much.
The money should rather be invested in better infrastructure, schools, universities, roads and bridges, high-speed internet, a reliable rail system... all which is lacking in many European countries. Feeding millions of people who may even transfer money back to foreign countries does not help the economy that much. At the same time, the government kept telling people that there wasn't enough money to adjust retirement funds, to provide affordable housing for the poorer people.
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Old 10-27-2016, 07:33 AM
 
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The money should rather be invested in better infrastructure, schools, universities, roads and bridges, high-speed internet, a reliable rail system... all which is lacking in many European countries. Feeding millions of people who may even transfer money back to foreign countries does not help the economy that much. At the same time, the government kept telling people that there wasn't enough money to adjust retirement funds, to provide affordable housing for the poorer people.
Africans will not touch bulk of that money, the money will be used to pay for overpriced goods and services provided by the locals, the locals who would not have jobs to ride high speed trains to otherwise. the bulk of the money will be captured and accumulated at the top in no time at all, the corporate wizards can use that money to invest in whatever. Purely monetarily speaking migrants are stimulus as valid as trickle down or tax cuts, or paying for health and other care of the elderly and otherwise unproductive free market would not touch on its own, migrants will redistribute money flows in the stale economy just about the same as any other government mandated distributive policy.
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Old 10-27-2016, 07:41 AM
 
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With that money they could live like the Beverly Hillbilies, ridiculous.
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Old 10-27-2016, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Pennsylvania / Dull Germany
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Africans will not touch bulk of that money, the money will be used to pay for overpriced goods and services provided by the locals, the locals who would not have jobs to ride high speed trains to otherwise. the bulk of the money will be captured and accumulated at the top in no time at all, the corporate wizards can use that money to invest in whatever. Purely monetarily speaking migrants are stimulus as valid as trickle down or tax cuts, or paying for health and other care of the elderly and otherwise unproductive free market would not touch on its own, migrants will redistribute money flows in the stale economy just about the same as any other government mandated distributive policy.
Either the money is there anyways (budget surplus), then one could also spend it on more useful things. Or, the money is anyways missing, and then would have been cut elsewhere. In both cases, mass immigration is not needed for economic stimulation.

It is not the same, if we spend it on immigrants or on health care and other care of the elderley and otherwise unproductive! The elderly were the ones that made our countries great by hard work and they deserve good care instead of wasting ressources elsewhere. The (illegal) immigrants never contributed to anything in our countries and are just on the "receiver" side. If we want immigration, why don't we try to attract the educated ones, that are skilled to work in good jobs. My city has very good experiences with immigrants from Japan and Korea for example. All the way highly educated and more than average salary. Crime doesn't happen among them. Completely different side of the immigration medal.
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Old 10-27-2016, 08:31 AM
 
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Either the money is there anyways (budget surplus), then one could also spend it on more useful things. Or, the money is anyways missing, and then would have been cut elsewhere. In both cases, mass immigration is not needed for economic stimulation.

It is not the same, if we spend it on immigrants or on health care and other care of the elderley and otherwise unproductive! The elderly were the ones that made our countries great by hard work and they deserve good care instead of wasting ressources elsewhere. The (illegal) immigrants never contributed to anything in our countries and are just on the "receiver" side. If we want immigration, why don't we try to attract the educated ones, that are skilled to work in good jobs. My city has very good experiences with immigrants from Japan and Korea for example. All the way highly educated and more than average salary. Crime doesn't happen among them. Completely different side of the immigration medal.

Money is an abstract tool used to make people jump, as every abstraction it's boundless, there cannot be shortage of it, it's created at whim to finance this thus putting otherwise idle people to work. In this instance money redirected/created to finance urgent migrant problem. Without migrants there would not be urgency, no money and no jobs despite that there are indeed many things money could be invested in. But without urgency those are just wishful projects promising no returns (to the people with money), it takes serious emergency for powers that be to reconsider their funding priorities and as a result a few crumbles being thrown to the people down the food chain. As for the retired and otherwise unproductive, supposedly economy is a fair judge of their worth, the deserving elderly have enough of $ to cover their care, everybody else has no objective economic value without government mandated redistributions. I wonder why you believe that only elderly deserve non economic, humanitarian consideration.
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