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Old 01-14-2017, 10:56 PM
 
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I am just curious from a american perspective why they are doing this? They take their boats down to 30 miles away from the libyan coast and they take aboard anyone they find and bring them to europe.
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Old 01-15-2017, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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Do you have a source for this ?
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Old 01-15-2017, 07:10 AM
 
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See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_Navfor_Med.

and the criticism section.

Although the respective navy destroys the boats after taking the people aboard (and bringing them to Italy) this doesn't stop the illegal traffickers from buying cheap (Chinese) replacement dinghies. It is an invitation to the traffickers to continue their business but not rescuing these people often leads to them drowning. The alternative might be bringing them back to Libya, but that would both jeopardise the fugitives (who often are from sub Sahara countries and worked in the Libyian petroleum industry before the war) as well as the naval vessels.
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Old 01-15-2017, 07:30 AM
 
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Except that the international rights forbid to send them back to Libya. French or Italian navy vessels can't enter inside Libya territory without autorisation.
Welcome in the real world where you can't do everything you want!
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Old 01-15-2017, 09:58 AM
 
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See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_Navfor_Med.

and the criticism section.

Although the respective navy destroys the boats after taking the people aboard (and bringing them to Italy) this doesn't stop the illegal traffickers from buying cheap (Chinese) replacement dinghies. It is an invitation to the traffickers to continue their business but not rescuing these people often leads to them drowning. The alternative might be bringing them back to Libya, but that would both jeopardise the fugitives (who often are from sub Sahara countries and worked in the Libyian petroleum industry before the war) as well as the naval vessels.
an invitation to traffickers to continue their job ? That's a weird logic. I am sorry but in any case the traffickers are very much alive and kicking. Controlling and securing the sea is a way to minimize human traffic even if of course it can not be entirely done. Yet.

Human traffic is a tragedy and the only way to stop it is to regulate it and stop migrants to leave their country to begin with.
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Old 01-15-2017, 02:59 PM
 
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Except that the international rights forbid to send them back to Libya. French or Italian navy vessels can't enter inside Libya territory without autorisation.
Welcome in the real world where you can't do everything you want!
Can you link me to what says "the international rights forbid to send them back to Libya"? I don't understand this at all. If a mexican tried to come into our country and we catch them we put them in jail and then send them back to mexico, we don't bring them into our country.
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Old 01-15-2017, 03:21 PM
 
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Mexico and Lybia have pretty different situations though !
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Old 01-15-2017, 03:49 PM
 
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Mexico and Lybia have pretty different situations though !
Where is this country? Is it a neighbour of Morroco in the Carribean?

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In all seriousness, I haven't heard of any such legislation.
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Old 01-15-2017, 07:06 PM
 
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Can you link me to what says "the international rights forbid to send them back to Libya"? I don't understand this at all. If a mexican tried to come into our country and we catch them we put them in jail and then send them back to mexico, we don't bring them into our country.
Firstly it's nothing to do with "international rights". The migrants from Libya are sailing/floating from the Libyan coast into international waters. The EU has no agreement with the Libyan govenment to return migrants, so once "rescued" the migrants have to be landed in the EU. ( with Italy bearing the brunt )
Libya REFUSES to take its own people BACK as it rejects Turkey-style refugee deal with EU | World | News | Daily Express
Italy crisis WORSENS as 25,000 migrants arrive in ONE MONTH | World | News | Daily Express

Then once the migrants are on EU soil, they just spin some garbage story to gain refugee status, if that fails, they will try & normally succeed, to escape the holding center, they then will head for France to try to smuggle themselves to the UK.

"Yet in 2013, 30 per cent of asylum requests were rejected, and Lupo, whose job it is to make sure the system serves the right people, wearily reels off the preferred fictions by nation. "Nigerians will say they are a Christian who wants to marry a Muslim, or they're homosexual, or they're fleeing police brutality." The day before we met she was brought in to explain to a group of Gambians what an asylum request entailed. They said they were here for work. When she explained they would not get permission, they asked her to invent a story for them. She knows lawyers who would, for a fee."
What happens to African migrants once they land in Italy during the summer? | The Independent


So far, despite numerous operations & billions of euros, all the EU has done is enable the smugglers. They have been laughing all the way to the bank. In fact people smuggling has now become critical to the Libyan economy.
"The report has also highlighted how the business of smuggling is deeply embedded in, and critical to, the Libyan economy."

How Navy patrols in the Mediterranean became a 'migrant magnet' | Daily Mail Online
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...iterranean_Sea
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Old 01-15-2017, 08:50 PM
 
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There have been developments this past week:

Italy opens Libya embassy to stop migrants
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