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Originally Posted by wikiwikirunner
First off - come here and see for yourself. Europe is 99.999% fine. Sure there are cases of a crazy person here or there, but it goes both ways. I bet you didn't hear about this for example:
But let's not forget about all the gun deaths and violence in the USA that are in no way related to Islam. I'd rather roll the dice with refugees in Berlin than extreme gun-toting Americans any day. But this isn't a gun argument.
Let's talk about how polygamy is not legal in the USA yet the whole Warren Jeffs thing happened.
Oh, that's just the crazy Mormons you say. How about all of the crazy Christian cults; Jesus People USA, the People's Temple (Georgetown Massacre) or the Branch Dividians? What about the Westboro Baptist Church? How about the KKK? Is this how all Christians are?
How about the (arguably) non-religious terrorists and murderers like Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph or Neo Nazis? Is this how we should think of all Americans?
Maybe, just maybe Islam isn't the problem and there are crazy people everywhere. Have you ever stopped to think that your fear and strong anti-Muslim sentiments are exactly what you are fearing them for?
Thanks a lot. It absolutely drives me insane that we are glorifying xenophobia and being ill-informed these days. Don't you find it strange that the most xenophobic are the most clueless? People are die hard believers in what they see on the news but have no idea about in real life. No the world is not out to get you, and no, America or any country on the European continent is not on the verge of adapting Sharia law. That's just flat out stupid. Hell, Bosnia (European example) is 51% Muslim and sure, they've had their cultural differences, but modern-day it's one of the friendliest countries I've ever set foot in. Same goes for Morocco (which is officially 99% Muslim)
I guarantee most people afraid of Muslims have never met a Muslim, (and the ones that have met a Muslim are only afraid of Muslims because they have an ex Muslim girlfriend with a crazy dad. Remember, there's crazy dads in every religion) and I guarantee all the people running around saying "oh my god Europe is a disaster right now" have never set foot in Europe. Why the hell should your opinion of Europe, the rest of the world, or Muslims be valid if you've never seen Europe or met a Muslim? I don't know ANYTHING about French tax law, but shall I tell you my opinion of French Taxation anyway? I suppose everyone is afraid of the unknown, but hey, that's why we have education isn't it.
Last edited by wikiwikirunner; 02-10-2017 at 03:00 PM..
I grew up in one of the worst "no-go" zones in Stockholm, moved there from a small town when I was about 6. When I was about 10 I got beaten up by some older guys because I was white and christian (at the time), called a "svenne" as they went on with it (derogatory term for swedes from immigrants). I learned to adapt and avoid similar confrontations but there has been close calls.
I also never entered school in the area, but chose commuting to a private alternative in a white neighborhood, which also saved me some trouble. However the threat of violent trouble is always hanging in the air.
The difference as far as emergency personnel are concerned is rly that ambulance and firetrucks generally enter with police escort, and police generally go in with double squad cars during certain hours of the day/week when threat level appears to be elevated. Sometimes people call the police and ambush them with stones etc. (Criminals with guns are generally concerned with crimes that benefit from lower profile, like slinging drugs).
There has also been an increase in people shot/executed in the fields nearby, but this is generally criminal vs criminal type violence, where emergency personnel often don't get the call until after everyone is gone from the scene.
My mother still lives in that area, it's been 90% Muslim all my life, but I do think petty crimes like theft, but more importantly also sexual assaults have gone through the roof locally in the past 5 years or so.
I moved to get away from the Muslim crap a couple of years ago, about 400 miles south, but my mother is stuck for several reasons, for example it's hard for her to change workplace so close to retirement age, and moving within Stockholm is hard, because of a very stiff housing market.
Naturally I was not a racist or a xenophobe when I moved there at 6 years old, didn't have a clue what Islam was. The only arab I had every seen was in the Disney movie "Aladdin".
Naturally I deny being racist or a xenophobe IRL, but with the deniability of the internet my honest opinion is that after living for more than decade surrounded by Islam, I cannot think of anything positive to say about it, other than maybe the resulting introspective analysis of my own former catholic beliefs that then made me turn Atheist.
Bottom line; I'm so "happy" we are getting "culturally enriched" by people who have barely understood the invention of freaking wheel in their home countries, so that women like my mother can't enjoy their freedoms without risking everything.
Wow this became a lot longer than the original "Islam is mental cancer, malignant and rapidly spreading" that I was gonna post lol.
Last edited by Rozenn; 02-12-2017 at 07:25 AM..
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Why is it that cars aren't burning and police being attacked in Denmark, Norway and Finland? Why is it always Sweden and ONLY Sweden?
Because they have not accepted anywhere near the same volumes/capita.
The problem isn't when some individuals are for example muslims, it's when you have large communities in the cross-over between being Muslims with sharia-inspired values and combining them with millennial entitlement, in a society with more generous sources for entitlement than almost any other on the face of this planet.
Add to that the white-anti-white notions that all swedes are per definition privileged, and that Muslims can do no wrong, we can only misunderstand their culture, and any remote disagreement of this order of things is racist and xenophobic.
Because they have not accepted anywhere near the same volumes/capita.
The problem isn't when some individuals are for example muslims, it's when you have large communities in the cross-over between being Muslims with sharia-inspired values and combining them with millennial entitlement, in a society with more generous sources for entitlement than almost any other on the face of this planet.
Add to that the white-anti-white notions that all swedes are per definition privileged, and that Muslims can do no wrong, we can only misunderstand their culture, and any remote disagreement of this order of things is racist and xenophobic.
Hmm...Sounds like there might be a problem with Sweden as a host country too.
I live in a small town in northern Sweden with lots of immigrants in my neighbourhood for the past 25 years and I have never encountered the things that Swedish Viking talks about. The things that happens here is because people are idiots and criminals, not because they are from a certain country or practice a certain religion.
The problems I have had has always been caused by swedes intoxicated on drugs and alcohol.
There are always two sides of the coin.
I live in a small town in northern Sweden with lots of immigrants in my neighbourhood for the past 25 years and I have never encountered the things that Swedish Viking talks about. The things that happens here is because people are idiots and criminals, not because they are from a certain country or practice a certain religion.
The problems I have had has always been caused by swedes intoxicated on drugs and alcohol.
There are always two sides of the coin.
The worst crime I've ever seen a Swedish person do is a bit of drunken bar-brawling, 2-3 punches and it was over, because the other guy was on the ground and the winner stopped at that.
I can't even count or re-tell all the **** I've seen in migrant suburbs. I'm an M-voter myself (M="moderaterna", a liberal right party around 20% in polls) but there are reasons every 4th to 5th voter is about to vote for the Swedish Democrats (conservative anti-migration party) 2018, and those reasons are good and well merited.
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Originally Posted by wikiwikirunner
Thanks a lot. It absolutely drives me insane that we are glorifying xenophobia and being ill-informed these days. Don't you find it strange that the most xenophobic are the most clueless? People are die hard believers in what they see on the news but have no idea about in real life. No the world is not out to get you, and no, America or any country on the European continent is not on the verge of adapting Sharia law. That's just flat out stupid. Hell, Bosnia (European example) is 51% Muslim and sure, they've had their cultural differences, but modern-day it's one of the friendliest countries I've ever set foot in. Same goes for Morocco (which is officially 99% Muslim)
I guarantee most people afraid of Muslims have never met a Muslim, (and the ones that have met a Muslim are only afraid of Muslims because they have an ex Muslim girlfriend with a crazy dad. Remember, there's crazy dads in every religion) and I guarantee all the people running around saying "oh my god Europe is a disaster right now" have never set foot in Europe. Why the hell should your opinion of Europe, the rest of the world, or Muslims be valid if you've never seen Europe or met a Muslim? I don't know ANYTHING about French tax law, but shall I tell you my opinion of French Taxation anyway? I suppose everyone is afraid of the unknown, but hey, that's why we have education isn't it.
Exactly. Here in the US its called business as usual. The peiople who believe all that BS from FOX news are the same people who deny the valid points you made. We had more acts of domestic terrorism by US born residents than anything. But they will be quick to say that any Anglo American whom performs an act they deem terroristic is "mentally unstable" and therefore cannot perform terroristic acts. Its disgusting.
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