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Yeah dude. Swap all ~40k Estonians in Finnland with Africans and Middle-Easterners and see where you would be crime wise, instead of a 'wing' you'd have whole prisons full of them. No one to build your infrastructure, take care of your sick and retarded (aka you average Pekka) and clean your **** up, but you'd have more shopping mall 'visitors' instead.
+ Finnish beer is ****.
We already have 40k African and Middle-Eastern nationals and there's no such wings or prisons. The largest foreign national groups in our prisons are in order; Estonians, Russians, Iraqi, Lithuanians.
There's no doubt Estonians have had a positive impact especially on low-wage jobs, and I prefer to judge the overall impact on these 40k Estonians, not the 150 sitting in prison.
But you seem to judge the Africans and Middle-Easterners not by the 40k majority, but the 100 sitting in jail. Am I right?
I assume that's what you personally hope for? Because I doubt that VVD will choose a mildly eurosceptic partner and three that are openly hostile to the EU.
I assume that's what you personally hope for? Because I doubt that VVD will choose a mildly eurosceptic partner and three that are openly hostile to the EU.
Don't you think its ironic that 90% of the parties say that Wilders and his party goes too far and discriminates people while they do the same thing with the PVV, the 2nd largest party that got 13% of the votes?
That's not very democratic, is it?
At this moment i'm already happy when D66 (19), GreenLeft (14), Party for the Animals (5) and THINK (3) will probably not come in the coalition. If they do the disaster will be complete.
A couple days ago i was disappointed that the PVV didn't become the biggest but no worries, Wilders will take next elections, the Netherlands is not gonna stay terrorist attack free forever, I mean we had London, Madrid, Paris, Brussels and Berlin, its only a matter of time when its Amsterdam's turn.
Don't you think its ironic that 90% of the parties say that Wilders and his party goes too far and discriminates people while they do the same thing with the PVV, the 2nd largest party that got 13% of the votes?
That's not very democratic, is it?
How is a coalition of eurosceptics and VVD (which didn't run on a eurosceptic platform, which would thus be pretty "undemocratic" towards their voters) with 78 seats more democratic than a coalition of VVD, CDA, D66 and GL/CU with 85/76 seats?
Getting Wilders into a coalition doesn't make it more democratic. I understand that you are disappointed that your choice didn't succeed as you expected. Fair enough. But that doesn't change the fact that Rutte will form a government which reflects the majority in parliament. Calling that undemocratic is pretty silly.
At this moment i'm already happy when D66 (19), GreenLeft (14), Party for the Animals (5) and THINK (3) will probably not come in the coalition. If they do the disaster will be complete.
A couple days ago i was disappointed that the PVV didn't become the biggest but no worries, Wilders will take next elections, the Netherlands is not gonna stay terrorist attack free forever, I mean we had London, Madrid, Paris, Brussels and Berlin, its only a matter of time when its Amsterdam's turn.
Hoping for a terrorist attack so your guy will finally win an election? Wow.
How is a coalition of eurosceptics and VVD (which didn't run on a eurosceptic platform, which would thus be pretty "undemocratic" towards their voters) with 78 seats more democratic than a coalition of VVD, CDA, D66 and GL/CU with 85/76 seats?
Getting Wilders into a coalition doesn't make it more democratic. I understand that you are disappointed that your choice didn't succeed as you expected. Fair enough. But that doesn't change the fact that Rutte will form a government which reflects the majority in parliament. Calling that undemocratic is pretty silly.
That's not undemocratic, that's not following the path you had in mind.
VVD and GL... its like comparing a businessman getting driven in a rolls with a hippy driving a prius, they just don't mix plus GL's leader has been telling everyone he would never work together (so did SP) with the VVD.
CU shouldn't be in the discussion imo, it would be better if they and SGP get banned, its not the 20th century anymore, religion and politics are not made for each other, especially in this age.
Not even trying to listen to a party that got nearly 1 and a half million votes is undemocratic and it will make the Netherlands more divided than it already is.
You think the other parties don't listen to VVD? Them listening to Wilders is exactly why no party is willing to partner up with him.
What would you expect from a coalition like the one you proposed? To which of the many insane demands of Wilders is Rutte supposed to listen to?
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