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Originally Posted by survivingearth
Yes there is no far right party, but people's perception of a "liberal" society with government sticking their finger in everything and the free-ride mentality is fading away. It less noticeable in London but elsewhere is getting pretty evident.
I don't recall British Society being that liberal when compared to most of Europe.
As for state provision, much of it is popular in the UK, it would be political suicide for any Government to attempt to take away universal healthcare in the shape of the NHS, whilst legitimate welfare provision is also seen as important, as is decent education, housing etc and most people want the Government to play an active part in this.
They also want Government to take back control of our borders, as lack of border control and the lack of proper EU controls including the Borderless Schengen Agreement has helped the emergence of the populist right as has subsequent mass immigration, as indeed has the badly though out Eurozone and German Economic domination of the EU.
If anything it is a failure of politicians to take appropriate action and to listen to the people that has caused a lot of Europe's problems rather than Government taking too much action.
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Interesting. That is a MAJOR financial drain on any country.
I doubt it's exaggerated (I don't like there so what do I know) but I have a feeling its under reported and being suppressed.
I have spoken with a German colleague and she said that she no longer goes out at night alone for fear of being attacked. It can't be good.
(take it for what it's worth) but there are MANY youtube videos (although I've heard some of them are actually censored in Germany ironically enough) showing refugees running amuck committing mass acts of violence and riots.
again take my opinion as a grain of salt.
Most Americans like Western Europe and look at you guys fondly. Sure we've had our disagreements and wars in the past but we do appreciate your contributions to western civilization. We are concerned that you are committing cultural suicide. Many Americans have descended form European ancestors so they do feel that connection to their roots and are concerned. A prosperous and safe Europe is good for everyone.
Europe's problem is political correctness, white guilt sentiments, devastating birth rates and a lack or decline of moral values, the USA has the same problems to a large degree, some blame it even on the US as political correctness and the like are American inventions (?).
(Western-) Europe will face a massive backlash to the right (which is already happening in some minor countries) or its downfall within a few decades.
Concerning refugees' violence, the million that came 2015 commited about 30 murders so far (including the Berlin terror attack, but most victims were not Germans but other refugees or random foreigners), that is not so much, but with about 3 murders per 100k, still 3x times the murder rate of Germany. I have not been attacked yet by refugees, but people are concerned, I always carry pepper spray and sometimes a hunting knife. It is not only the refugees that cause problems but also Muslims that live here for generations.
Something that is maybe interesting for Americans. The crime rates for Mexicans in Germany are extremely low, lower than for Americans who live in Germany.
This is not surprising. Most of the Mexicans in the US who engage in criminal behavior are involved in gangs and drug trafficking. It is a far higher probability that will come to the US illegally due to the proximity and drug market here than it is for them to go through airport security/immigration scrutiny.
Brexit is not a far-right movement, it gained support across the entire political spectrum. The true far-right movements in the UK are the BNP, EDL and Britain First. If anything, they have in been in decline in the last decade, especially the BNP.
this. the sweden democrats for example are not even close to "far-right".
I don't recall British Society being that liberal when compared to most of Europe.
Seems pretty liberal to me...Nothing like Holland but still compared to the world in general you would think so.
As for state provision, much of it is popular in the UK, it would be political suicide for any Government to attempt to take away universal healthcare in the shape of the NHS, whilst legitimate welfare provision is also seen as important, as is decent education, housing etc and most people want the Government to play an active part in this.
Well that's delicate subject, i don't think they would take away neither but a revision would be plausible.
They also want Government to take back control of our borders, as lack of border control and the lack of proper EU controls including the Borderless Schengen Agreement has helped the emergence of the populist right as has subsequent mass immigration, as indeed has the badly though out Eurozone and German Economic domination of the EU.
If anything it is a failure of politicians to take appropriate action and to listen to the people that has caused a lot of Europe's problems rather than Government taking too much action.
Brexit is not a far-right movement, it gained support across the entire political spectrum. The true far-right movements in the UK are the BNP, EDL and Britain First. If anything, they have in been in decline in the last decade, especially the BNP.
Yes, Brexit is usually dragged into the same narrative as other events in 2016. It is not the same, though there are some similarities. Sure, both Brexit and Trump were particularly popular with their respective older rural men (then again, so were the voters for Erdoğan in Turkey).
There isn't a "new" wave in Sweden. Sverigedemokraterna (SD) had a jump in popularity with the refugee wave late 2015 and particularly the government clumsy U-turn at the same time. To channel Hillary Clinton a bit, SD voters can be subdivided into the true believers and the protest voters. Both groups, and SD polling, have grown but the election in 2018 is set to end up exactly the same way as the election in 2014: inconclusive.
There are two blocks that are battling for power in Sweden, the Social-Democrats (and support parties) and the (liberal-conservative) Alliance. SD isn't large enough to get into power, and guaranteed won't be in 2018 either, but unless the party collapses (which always is a possibility with far right parties) they are also practically guaranteed to be a spoiler in 2018 as they were in 2014, when neither the Social-Democratic bloc nor the Liberal-Conservative Alliance got a majority. Right now the Social-Democrats are in a minority government. On current form the Alliance will form a minority government in 2018.
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Originally Posted by survivingearth
Seems pretty liberal to me...Nothing like Holland but still compared to the world in general you would think so.
It depends how you define Liberal, if you mean liberal as in basic 'freedoms' and openess to new ideas then yes we are a free and democratic nation who embrace new ideas, however if you interperet Liberal as meaning as in politics or left wing such as socialism, high taxes or welfare provision etc then I son't think the UK is very liberal, and the current Brexit vote did have a lot to do with Britain wanting to control it's borders and to stop current levels of immigration.
It depends how you define Liberal, if you mean liberal as in basic 'freedoms' and openess to new ideas then yes we are a free and democratic nation who embrace new ideas, however if you interperet Liberal as meaning as in politics or left wing such as socialism, high taxes or welfare provision etc then I son't think the UK is very liberal, and the current Brexit vote did have a lot to do with Britain wanting to control it's borders and to stop current levels of immigration.
It would depend on the revision, however the NHS is a well loved organisation and the British by and large staunchly support universal healthcare.
I meant liberal in the political sense. Correct if i am wrong i see a tendency of less "left" "liberal" "socialistic". And yes i know that we need to be very careful using the word socialism because what we have are traces of it now the whole shebang(thank god)
Nothing good comes from far right ideals, but some lessons have to be learned again and again.
I disagree i see the right as a better option to the left. Maybe because i've been living in Brazil where the left has destroyed it's economy.
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