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Old 04-27-2017, 12:39 PM
 
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Europe seems to do everything better than the US at least when it comes to social issues. Recently there was a topic about a woman who's daughter has a few misdemeanors and a felony and has had a very tough time finding a job. Now in the US as I am sure you know our politicians are all like "PEOPLE THAT DO DRUGS DESERVE TO BURN IN HELL!!" "Why actually try to treat people, we should just slap them with long-lasting punishment for simply smoking a joint" etc. As such even if you don't have a violent record most employers and companies are also of the "You smoked weed? BURN IN HELL!!" etc. Now I imagine just like how Europe actually cares about helping and treating people with say drug addiction am I right in thinking Europe is a lot more understanding and sympathetic regarding giving second chances to those that have criminal records when hiring people?
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Old 04-27-2017, 04:36 PM
 
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well, yes. it depends on the job applied for. example, you cannot get a job as teacher, nurse, driving instructor, etc with a criminal record. however, builder, car machanic, shelf stacker etc are all available & employer cannot ask.
in some countries, it's even against the law for employers to demand a record check to get a job.
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Old 04-27-2017, 10:15 PM
 
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Europe, where?
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Old 04-28-2017, 03:57 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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In the UK certain offences which involve a prison sentence of less than 4 years can be deemed spent after a period of years, allowing offenders who don't continue to offend a chance to make a fresh start and in order to help in the rehabilitation of offenders. So if you are say an adult who has been imprisoned for a minor offence not involving serious violence or sexual offences and you are sentened to more than 30 months and less than 4 years and you do not go on to offend again, then you your records to an employer won't show up after 7 years. Meaning you don't have to declare the criminal record for many types of work.

However this is only for certain types of employment, and jobs involving working in a trusted position in society or in jobs working with children and vulnerable people are subject to an enhanced record check and this shows all convictions. Then again the fact that offenders can at least be given a second chance in many areas of work after a significant period during which they have been honest citizens seems like a decent way to keep people from a life of crime. Records are still kept by the police they are just downgraded on the Police National Computer, the police also have a National Intelligence Database but that is to allow the police to gather criminal intellience rather than convictions. Enhanced Record Checks are carried out by the Disclosure and Barring Service in relation to those working in employment related to jobs with certain official responsibilities or those involving children and vulnerable people.

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Old 04-29-2017, 12:44 AM
 
Location: Tulsa
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I'm moving to Spain, and they need to check my record to issue the visa.

I guess they take criminal record very seriously.
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Old 04-30-2017, 09:35 PM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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Europe seems to do everything better than the US
Ahhh, Europe. My favorite country.

With Portland, Oregon a close second.
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Old 04-30-2017, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Groznia
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Europe seems to do everything better than the US at least when it comes to social issues. Recently there was a topic about a woman who's daughter has a few misdemeanors and a felony and has had a very tough time finding a job. Now in the US as I am sure you know our politicians are all like "PEOPLE THAT DO DRUGS DESERVE TO BURN IN HELL!!" "Why actually try to treat people, we should just slap them with long-lasting punishment for simply smoking a joint" etc. As such even if you don't have a violent record most employers and companies are also of the "You smoked weed? BURN IN HELL!!" etc. Now I imagine just like how Europe actually cares about helping and treating people with say drug addiction am I right in thinking Europe is a lot more understanding and sympathetic regarding giving second chances to those that have criminal records when hiring people?
You are erroneously referring to FELONS who want to escape their pasts consequences by "plonking" themselves on Europe (in general) while believing that Europe will help them "economically" so with that being said....you'll find gainful employment with the international mafia and the Nazi fallout maybe...but most European corporations are worse than those in America in terms of having employees who LIVE crime free (an ideology that was ironically adopted from Hitler's ideologies...)
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Old 05-03-2017, 07:15 AM
 
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You are erroneously referring to FELONS who want to escape their pasts consequences by "plonking" themselves on Europe (in general) while believing that Europe will help them "economically" so with that being said....you'll find gainful employment with the international mafia and the Nazi fallout maybe...but most European corporations are worse than those in America in terms of having employees who LIVE crime free (an ideology that was ironically adopted from Hitler's ideologies...)
Errr...what??? How on earth you correlate "plonking themselves on Europe" due to a criminal record with Adolf Hitler is beyond me &, tbh, would probably need the finest minds on the planet to work out.

Fyi, European corporations are no different then US corporations, no one is living "crime free" in either, it's nothing to do with old Adolf's ideologies...it's called business practice.



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I'm moving to Spain, and they need to check my record to issue the visa.

I guess they take criminal record very seriously.
Depends on the crime, how long ago & what age it the offender was at the time, i do know that Spanish employers DON'T as for criminal record checks for "ordinary" jobs.
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Old 05-03-2017, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Tulsa
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Europe seems to do everything better than the US at least when it comes to social issues.
What about the influx of refugees?

EU is weak on borders.
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Old 05-03-2017, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Tulsa
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The US is draconian, you can thank the puritans that settled it, they were escaping the era of enlightenment in Europe and went to the Americas!!! (PLEASE GET US AWAY FROM DISCOVERY AND KNOWLEDGE, WE WANT GODS AND HEAVENS AND WORK WORK WORK, NO FUN JUST WORK!)

I know a girl who is on the registry for sex offenders in the US because she was giving her boyfriend a blowjob inside his car on a parking lot in early morning hours. Cops approached the car and caught them!

Now it's on her passport, she needs to register wherever she moves, many jobs in the US wont even consider her for a job! A decent nice person with her life half ruined because she got kinky one Saturday night and decided to give her man a blow job inside his car!!!! (something we've all done)

IT'S A ****ING DISGRACE!
I agree, it's ridiculous. I totally don't get the idea of "registered sex offenders". What purpose does it serve? It doesn't seem to make the world a better place.

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