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Are you saying that you, as a Bulgarian, identify more with the Bulgars, Huns, Mongols and maybe Turks than Slavs?
In any case, I agree that the term "Eastern Europe", just like "Middle East", is biased and self-serving for a select few.
While we're at it, let's drop too another biased and self-serving term, "medieval".
More or less that's what I'm saying. Russia and Ukraine had taken their church, writing, architecture from Greece, Macedonia and Bulgaria and not vice-versa. Until the 18th century slavic countries had no power. Even Poland-Lituania wasn't that slavic.
More or less that's what I'm saying. Russia and Ukraine had taken their church, writing, architecture from Greece, Macedonia and Bulgaria and not vice-versa. Until the 18th century slavic countries had no power. Even Poland-Lithuania wasn't that slavic.
Thank you for your candidness and clarity, I appreciate it.
More or less that's what I'm saying. Russia and Ukraine had taken their church, writing, architecture from Greece, Macedonia and Bulgaria and not vice-versa. Until the 18th century slavic countries had no power. Even Poland-Lituania wasn't that slavic.
Russia ( with its capital in Kiev back then) DEFINITELY took its church from Byzantium, not "Greece Macedonia and Bulgaria."
And it definitely had power already before the 18th century.
Russia ( with its capital in Kiev back then) DEFINITELY took its church from Byzantium, not "Greece Macedonia and Bulgaria."
And it definitely had power already before the 18th century.
So Byzantium had absolutely nothing to do with Greece lol...even today in bulgaria the greeks are called "vizantiici" though it has negative context.
The power before the 18th century was Poles taking over Moscow in 1600-something, Napoleon doing the same later or the bulgars stopping Genghiz Khan from further destruction to the slavic kingdoms. Even when the Huns arrived in eastern europe the local slavic tribes ended up their subjects which is why you have Hungary or Bulgaria but not "Slavia".
Still only Paris, London sound dangerous due to terrorism threats and Marseilles or Sicilly for the mafias, but I can't think of anything scary in Spain, Switzerland, Germany, Ireland or so.
So Byzantium had absolutely nothing to do with Greece lol...even today in bulgaria the greeks are called "vizantiici" though it has negative context.
It's not that Byzantium ( or Eastern Roman Empire) didn't have "anything to do with Greece," but Byzantium was much bigger than just "Greece," and Bulgaria ( along with Macedonia and other Balkan countries) were a part of it. All together they belonged ( and were united) under the "Eastern Roman Church." Now when "early Russians" in Kiev were looking into conversion to Christianity, they rejected Rome ( or Western Roman Catholic Church) and specifically chose Byzantium, because of all the trade ties. Byzantium agreed, BUT on a condition that Russia would become part of Byzantium church. Russian princes ( first Oleg and then Vladimir from what I remember) refused, insisting on having their own acephalous church. The negotiations were going back and forth, but at the end Russians got what they insisted on, and proved to be right, because shortly after that Byzantium Empire fell to Muslims, with biggest Christian cathedral Hagia Sophia becoming the biggest mosque in the world.
The destiny of people USED to be part of Byzantium was sad to say the least, because now they were subjected under Islam for what?... next three-four centuries?
Russians ( considering now themselves the successors of Byzantium) made their goal "liberation of people of Byzantium from Islamic oppression,) which led to later wars with Turkey. (One of Russian tzars - don't remember now which one - Alexander?) made this goal official.)
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The power before the 18th century was Poles taking over Moscow in 1600-something,
This is a totally different story; this was what's known in Russian history as the "Time of Troubles," between the death of the last tzar of Rurik ( Scandinavian) dynasty and the establishment of the new Romanov's dynasty.
But even during these "turbulent times" Russians managed to prevail, when their throne was claimed ( there was an attempt) to claim it by Poland ( or rather Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.)
Just in case if anyone wondered - that's what the particular bronze monument on the Red Square in front of the St. Basil Cathedral is devoted to - these particular events.
Napoleon doing the same later or the bulgars stopping Genghiz Khan from further destruction to the slavic kingdoms. Even when the Huns arrived in eastern europe the local slavic tribes ended up their subjects which is why you have Hungary or Bulgaria but not "Slavia".
Speak for yourself, because Russians always managed to prevail at the end)))
But, as I've said - they had their own acephalous church, they were not part of the defeated Byzantium Empire to begin with...
OK, but Bizantium were mostly populated by greeks and it was greek speaking, which was my point.
your 2nd reason: OK, this still does't contradict what I meant and:
I didn't say that Russia can't prevail, I mean't the local slavs didn't in the lands of the balkans and nearby.
OK, but Bizantium were mostly populated by greeks and it was greek speaking, which was my point.
your 2nd reason: OK, this still does't contradict what I meant and:
I didn't say that Russia can't prevail, I mean't the local slavs didn't in the lands of the balkans and nearby.
They couldn't prevail because they were the leftovers of the defeated Empire.
That's the whole point.
Really? Most people in Latin America seem to make little distinction between Western and Eastern Europe and assume that it is roughly the same across the continent. People here seem truly surprised when I tell them that Russia is no more rich than Argentina or Chile
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