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Old 07-25-2017, 08:32 AM
 
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Sure, to you Germany is just perfect with your countries crumbling infrastructure that Merkel and co. refuse to rebuild just to keep the BS up and keep draining resources from poor EU nations. And when the Germans work with Xi and the Chinese to build a nwo I'm sure you shrug. Or when they use refugees to destroy the entire cityscape of Europe or when German companies rig their products or when the steal $$$$$$ from the US to fund military zones to trade with.

Have some self reflection on Germany and look to improve it rather than arrogantly suggesting you're the best.
We are the best!
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Old 07-25-2017, 08:42 AM
 
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If I had to chose among two countries as a world superpower:

1.) A democratic country that has been the leading superpower for the western world, treated its allies friendly, brought liberty to many countries, still represents freedom and human rights and where you pretty much know what the country stands for and how it would react to certain questions.

2.) A dictatorship that is ruled by a pseud-socialist one-party-system that treates weaker countries like rubbish and only exploits natural ressources there, and that nobody knows that is their goal and their strategy.

I would know what to chose.
one word for you: Saudi Arabia. Before this embarrassment is solved, country 1 does not exist.

I can't help vomiting looking at "brought liberty to many countries" - to whom? Oil rich countries where the government didn't listen to the white house?

and also in terms of "treat weaker countries like rubbish" and "only exploits resources", is there is real difference between 1 and 2? or any superpower ever existed? YOu can't be as naive as that. Use the brain, not just habitually read news from western media as if it were all unbiased.
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Old 07-25-2017, 08:43 AM
 
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Sure, sure. Not defending the trustworthiness of the US but China... cmon.
so? one is supposed to take side instead of looking at the issues at hand now? The great "West" is always right? cmon.
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Old 07-25-2017, 08:57 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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China has not treated a single one of their allies as friends (ex:Sri Lanka, Pakistan, etc.)
Countries are never friends, but egoist entities.
And what is so unfriendly about the way China treats Sri Lanka or Pakistan, anyway?
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Old 07-25-2017, 08:59 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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If I had to chose among two countries as a world superpower:

1.) A democratic country that has been the leading superpower for the western world, treated its allies friendly, brought liberty to many countries, still represents freedom and human rights and where you pretty much know what the country stands for and how it would react to certain questions.

2.) A dictatorship that is ruled by a pseud-socialist one-party-system that treates weaker countries like rubbish and only exploits natural ressources there, and that nobody knows that is their goal and their strategy.

I would know what to chose.
I see both countries very differently from how you seem to see them...
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Old 07-25-2017, 09:51 AM
 
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Old 07-25-2017, 09:55 AM
 
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I agree with most things OP says but not with the hint that America is better than China/Germany.
You can't seriously believe that an Al Qaeda ally, friend of Russia and enemy of planet Earth lol(paris climate deal) is "better".

The only productive world leaders can be India, SA, Japan and certain countries around them. Maybe even the UK if they pick the right path and re-start ties with emerging powers from their former commonwealth.
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Old 07-25-2017, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Countries are never friends, but egoist entities.
And what is so unfriendly about the way China treats Sri Lanka or Pakistan, anyway?
https://www.google.com/amp/foreignpo...friendship/amp

The Chinese don't support their allies in a mutually beneficial way, they just see them as tools and then throw them away. Even when the philippines wants to be their ally they casual threaten to invade them. They US plays fairly opening up our markets equally to those who do so as well while the Chinese shut down any open trade with another country even if the country opens up to China for investments.

Speaking of investments theirs have been notoriously bad only helping corrupt officials in said countries. The US defends and support our allies good (France, the U.K., Japan) or bad (SA). The Chinese don't have that same level of international cooperation. They have no respect for IP laws of other countries and rip off anyone for just a few $ of cash.
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Old 07-25-2017, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I agree with most things OP says but not with the hint that America is better than China/Germany.
You can't seriously believe that an Al Qaeda ally, friend of Russia and enemy of planet Earth lol(paris climate deal) is "better".

The only productive world leaders can be India, SA, Japan and certain countries around them. Maybe even the UK if they pick the right path and re-start ties with emerging powers from their former commonwealth.
We're (the US) getting better, give us time. Also historically we have been good (the marshal plan).
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Old 07-25-2017, 10:22 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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https://www.google.com/amp/foreignpo...friendship/amp

The Chinese don't support their allies in a mutually beneficial way, they just see them as tools and then throw them away. Even when the philippines wants to be their ally they casual threaten to invade them. They US plays fairly opening up our markets equally to those who do so as well while the Chinese shut down any open trade with another country even if the country opens up to China for investments.

Speaking of investments theirs have been notoriously bad only helping corrupt officials in said countries. The US defends and support our allies good (France, the U.K., Japan) or bad (SA). The Chinese don't have that same level of international cooperation. They have no respect for IP laws of other countries and rip off anyone for just a few $ of cash.
Don't know what kind of link that is, there is a redirect warning...

China never claimed to be friends with the Philippines or Pakistan. I suppose when 1 in 5 humans are Chinese you are your own universe somehow.
If I am not mistaken China and the Philippines are disputing the ownership of some islands. And Pakistan? I don't even like Pakistan, why would the Chinese who have their own Islam problem? Sure, Pakistan is the opponent of India, which in turn is China's opponent, but that doesn't make Pakistan China's friend. They are just a pawn on China's chess board.

China has a different culture, copying has been considered totally ok there for thousands of years, copying something is considered praise, not an offense or immoral.
And frankly, in view of the excessive system of patents, copyrights etc., I think it is only fair that emerging countries violate such laws, otherwise it is impossible to catch up. I actually recommend it to other countries as well, Africa for instance. I think such laws should not even apply to developing countries.

And before the West complains, violating such laws and rules used to be popular in the West as well. Germany was very good at pirating in the 19th century. And now all of a sudden the leaders including Germany complain about the Chinese in order to protect their own privileged position.
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