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Old 09-07-2017, 09:05 AM
 
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Yes, the majority of people who are Québécois francophones are of French origin but there is a substantial long established mixing of aboriginals within the population (that does not generally show up in names - these people still have French names) that makes a lot of people kind of "mestizo" believe it or not.


Also a large number of Québécois have British roots. This is not due to people moving from other parts of Canada so much (unlike in Spain where lots of Andalusians moved to Catalonia and assimilated) but more people who came from the British Isles directly to Quebec in the colonial period.


It's not uncommon to meet people in Quebec with names like Jean-Paul Murray or Marie-France MacFadden. Often they speak little to no English.


And of course there are immigrants from other countries who have assimilated with the Québécois. Historically immigrants mostly assimilated with the Anglo-Quebecer minority, but the more recent trend is seeing more and more immigrants assimilating with the French-speaking majority.
At what length did this intermixing between French and aboriginals go?

Are most Quebecois of mixed heritage.
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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At what length did this intermixing between French and aboriginals go?

Are most Quebecois of mixed heritage.
In the early days of the colony of New France the French population here was overwhelmingly male. There were very few French women and so quite a few of the men ended up having children with aboriginal women.


This eventually changed though as France began sending female colonists within a decade or two. This did not totally stop mixing with the natives but it did stop it from becoming the predominant genetic mix of people here.


For this reason I'd say the métis (mestizo) aspect here is much less than in most of Latin America, but it's still there even if quite recessive.


It's still noticeably more common than historic mixing with aboriginals is among the long-established anglo origin populations in North America.
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Old 09-07-2017, 11:48 AM
 
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OK, thanks for the insight.

It sounds just like Spanish America. Very few female colonists were brought back then.
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:02 PM
 
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OK, thanks for the insight.

It sounds just like Spanish America. Very few female colonists were brought back then.
It's not as pronounced as down there, but yes. We have a variety of different "looks" here, but a lot of people do look like this but aren't considered aboriginal or métis.


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Old 09-07-2017, 12:23 PM
 
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Prior to the 60s and 70s, French Canadians didn't own much of an economy that they could have trashed.






In Quebec this duality does exist. A full public K-12 system that teaches in English (for about 10% of the student population) alongside the main French K-12 public system where 90% of the students are.


There are also three English-language universities in Quebec. The most prominent and comprehensive one is McGill. It's arguably one of the better universities in the world.


The same educational duality for French speaking minorities also exists in the rest of Canada where most people are English speaking. Though it's not as mature, extensive and developed (especially in post-secondary) as the anglo system in Quebec.
That sounds very expensive, from a taxpayer standpoint. Duplicating an entire schooling system, all the way through the university level? Why not have the universities offer some classes in English, and some in French, since the population is supposed to be fully bi-lingual, in theory, anyway, haha. In my schools in the States, we learned French all the way through HS, and were required to write research papers in French. If we could do it, Anglo-Canucks should be able to do it. That way, there wouldn't have to be duplicate university systems.
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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That sounds very expensive, from a taxpayer standpoint. Duplicating an entire schooling system, all the way through the university level? Why not have the universities offer some classes in English, and some in French, since the population is supposed to be fully bi-lingual, in theory, anyway, haha. In my schools in the States, we learned French all the way through HS, and were required to write research papers in French. If we could do it, Anglo-Canucks should be able to do it. That way, there wouldn't have to be duplicate university systems.
It would go against Canada's Constitution as minority language education rights are legally guaranteed.


It might be more expensive but probably not significantly so. Those kids still have to go to school somewhere. There is duplication of school administrations it's true but you have something similar in the U.S. with often very tiny school districts for arbitrary reasons like rich people in a small suburban city or town wanting to keep to themselves.
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Old 09-11-2017, 07:05 PM
 
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It would go against Canada's Constitution as minority language education rights are legally guaranteed.


It might be more expensive but probably not significantly so. Those kids still have to go to school somewhere. There is duplication of school administrations it's true but you have something similar in the U.S. with often very tiny school districts for arbitrary reasons like rich people in a small suburban city or town wanting to keep to themselves.
I can understand why the French language is granted official language status in Quebec, but I can't understand why French is an official language of Canada and it is compulsory for use in federal government. So many people in Canada do not know French. Also so many people did not learn French in School in Canada especially in Western Canada.
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Old 09-11-2017, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I can understand why the French language is granted official language status in Quebec, but I can't understand why French is an official language of Canada and it is compulsory for use in federal government. So many people in Canada do not know French. Also so many people did not learn French in School in Canada especially in Western Canada.
To make a long story short French was made official federally across Canada as a tradeoff so that English could continue to be shored up by the federal government in Quebec.

Another thing that is important is that the French and English populations in Canada weren't always this concentrated in Quebec and outside Quebec.

The Anglo population of Quebec was once a larger share and most of the Anglo majority provinces had higher shares of French speakers than they have today. Manitoba for example today is less than 5 percent French speaking but was once about half French speaking.
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Old 09-12-2017, 02:48 AM
 
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What? You're saying the French Canadians trashed their own economy? This is news to me. Would you mind elaborating? Are you also saying that there's a dual system of education--English language schooling all the way through university, alongside French schooling and French-language universities? Sounds expensive.


Yes, as more than 250 large companies and corporations left Montreal-Quebec left during the efervescent period - 1960-1980. Language did become a political tool, not an economical tool, so the right of English speakers/immigrants/Jews are threaded upon. For example, children of immigrants are forced to enroll their children in French speaking schools. Jews are victimized, accusing them of the defeat of the referendum - l'argent - also other immigrant groups as Italians, Greeks, etc.

So those two cities will continue to fade away as "ethnic cleansing" bars investments, not only by English speaking Canadians, but from anyone else.

So, immigrant languages -such as English- are scorned upon and replaced slowly. They also have ridiculous "lingustic laws" with incredible fines that are enforced by a large number of civil servants. They even force Italian restaurants to translate their menus to French Canadian using their particular version of "frenchified Italian".

Problem is that French, more so French Canadian -I'm francophone and I don't understand a word unless spoken by a professional newscaster - is quite useless...and nobody wants their children to learn a useless language because identitarian reason beyond their scope.

And yes, we have a similar problem here, Catalonia, but our problem is make believe, just business, and not a race problem -as the case of Basque Country. Unfortunately, Catalonia copied many of Quebec's laws during the 80...school immersion, etc, which has increased poverty.

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Old 09-12-2017, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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and nobody wants their children to learn a useless language because identitarian reason beyond their scope.

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Ah yes. Here is Sugar Sammy. Born in Montreal of Indian parents who spoke no French. Went to Quebec French schools. Performing comedy for Parisians.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89kl93Js1bI
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