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They are going bigger than Perpignan..think a city that starts with T and ends with E.
This is all part of a strategy well-known in the Cataluynan independence underground...
Nothern Catalonia -french- has Perpignan as the biggest city
But french catalans are weaker than in the south.
The political group 'yes to a catalan country ' had 4% of the votes to the last elections...
Nothern Catalonia -french- has Perpignan as the biggest city
But french catalans are weaker than in the south.
The political group 'yes to a catalan country ' had 4% of the votes to the last elections...
I'm just kidding about all this with Northern Catalonia. I hope all the people in the region live in peace and that everything works out for the best for the people involved.
Is that really the case, though? I though ethnic Catalans were about 55% of the population there. Almost all of those would have a Catalan identity of some form, would they not? And at least some people who are of other origins like Andalusian or Asturian but who grew up in Catalonia would also have some form of identity for that region, no?
I guess it depends on how one defines identity.
Nothing to to with "ethnicity". Not like French Canada is which you have a secluded group of French Canadians that evolved in isolation during centuries.
Catalonia COPIED Quebec, but in fact both regions have nothing to do.
As the Russian poster wrote, it's just a BIG SHOW to HIDE CORRUPTION (- CIU. 5 PERCENT, PALAU, ANDORRA) and keep themselves in power (nationalist, chavistas, squatters and doggieflutes in general).
Nationalist-Communists or whatever INVENTED A FALSE NARRATIVE IN WHICH CASTILIANS ARE EVIL AND CUT CATALAN'S KITTKE THINGS, THEY FAKED HISTORY.
In fact, Catalonia has been the most favoured region of Spain since Franco.
People on the street demonstrating? Public servants forced to go, students, idle seniors..but 70 percent remained at home.
MANY PEOPLE HAVE FEAR AND SEVERAL COMPANIES ARE ABANDONING CATALONIA.
Considering that persons with Catalunyan as their identity are a minority population in Catalunya that would seem a bizarre and undemocratic solution.
Easier to find a "españolista" among ethnic catalan middle classes that among brainwashed immigrants, españolistas but scared. Most Catalans - ethnic or not- are not independentists, but are scared.
INDEPENDENTISTAS AND ALLIES - COMMUNISTS AND CHAVISTAS . CONTROL THE ECONOMY AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT PAY...THEY CAN DESTROUY YOUR BUSINESS.
More than an ethnic thing, is economic and social, In Barcelona's posher areas, that are mostly Catalan, there are no independentists at all.
But above all, there's fear. There was a general strike -imposed by independentists-and people were terrorized.
Easier to find a "españolista" among ethnic catalan middle classes that among brainwashed immigrants, españolistas but scared. Most Catalans - ethnic or not- are not independentists, but are scared.
INDEPENDENTISTAS AND ALLIES - COMMUNISTS AND CHAVISTAS . CONTROL THE ECONOMY AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT PAY...THEY CAN DESTROUY YOUR BUSINESS.
More than an ethnic thing, is economic and social, In Barcelona's posher areas, that are mostly Catalan, there are no independentists at all.
But above all, there's fear. There was a general strike -imposed by independentists-and people were terrorized.
Nothing to to with "ethnicity". Not like French Canada is which you have a secluded group of French Canadians that evolved in isolation during centuries.
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An "ethnic group" is not solely about people being of the same blood, it's about people who feel like they are part of an "us". Regardless of biological origins.
It's not up to me or you or anyone to tell Catalans that they aren't a "people" if they think they are one.
Anyway, it's pretty obvious even to me that names like Ferrer, Pujol and Puig are Catalan and that names like Fernandez and Gonzalez are Castellano, and therefore representative of two groups that were at least at some point distinct from each other.
This does not mean that today there can't be people who have names like Ferrer who aren't Catalan, or people with names like Fernandez who are.
Breaking news : the Constitutional court has forbidden the extraordinary session of the Catalan autonomous Parlament (by the way : the Catalans are so "oppressed" by Madrid that they have their own Parliament in their own language), that were to be held next Monday, when "independence" could have been (not sure) declared. So the party is over, and the regional government should make asap necessary compromises with the central government before banks and industries start to flee the "Bolivarian Republic of Catalunya" (it has already started....)
Breaking news : the Constitutional court has forbidden the extraordinary session of the Catalan autonomous Parlament (by the way : the Catalans are so "oppressed" by Madrid that they have their own Parliament in their own language), that were to be held next Monday, when "independence" could have been (not sure) declared. So the party is over, and the regional government should make asap necessary compromises with the central government before banks and industries start to flee the "Bolivarian Republic of Catalunya" (it has already started....)
Well this is going to be interesting. Frankly I hope Catalonia becomes a successful independent nation after what the Spanish government did to them.
I am not an expert of Spain or Catalonia issues but for me the Catalonia's path to independence resembles the way of the Baltic countries (and other ex-USSR republics) to independence in early 1990ies quite formidably. This is a parliamentary way- their pariament of the autonomous province is in a parliamentary war with central Spanish legislation. Baltic countries did the same the same, without guns (Baltians even had almost no guns at all).
But there are also some differences. Balts and other ex-USSRians had in their time more supporting international political atmosphere- Gorbachev era, collapsing east bloc, weakening Ussr, coup d'etat of 1991. After that coup d'etat in 1991 there was a real parade of independence declarations from Estonia to Tadjikistan. The current atmosphere- new confrontation, new "cold war" does not predispose Catalonia's aims, though. EU countries in row declare that it is "against the Spain's national sovereignty and territorial integrity" and so forth.
ps Just a whimsy -interestingly, has Putin considered to recognize Catalonian independence on one nice day? That would cause a lot of storm
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