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Old 10-10-2017, 03:09 PM
 
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Catalonia has a lower GDP per capita than the poorest French region. It is only rich by Spanish standard.
Which kind of stupidity is that? Mr. French globalpower, Spain is only from a 5.000$ difference from France in GDP PPP per capita according to 2016 numbers.

Because that's what matters. Your purchasing power.
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Old 10-10-2017, 03:10 PM
 
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Catalonia has a lower GDP per capita than the poorest French region. It is only rich by Spanish standard.
Which kind of stupidity is that? Mr.superiority complex?

Spain has only a 5.000$ difference from France in GDP PPP per capita according to 2016 numbers. The same superiority as Austria or Germany have to France (5-6.000$) because that's what matters. Your purchasing power.



This was in the worst year of the economic crisis in Spain, now Spain has few thousands more. Andalosia would be now yellow in the map, the Balears light blue and Cantabria dark green. Probably Rioja would also be light blue. lol, except for Paris there isn't a single French region with a GDP per capita (PPP) above Madrid, Catalonia, Navarre or the Basque Region.

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Old 10-10-2017, 06:53 PM
 
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Acajack, you don't appear very expert in the Catalonian movement.

Not a single referendum with less than 50% of votes can be considered as valid. lol not even 100% of those 41-42% who "voted" have chosen yes. lmao


The vast majority of Catalonians want to be in Spain and it has been proven. Puigdemont has failed as well as the whole independence movement...
What makes you think that I believe this referendum is sufficient to declare independence, or even that I support Catalan independence?

I support Catalans' right to decide - this vote was not the ideal process to decide.
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Old 10-11-2017, 01:22 AM
 
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Acajack, you don't appear very expert in the Catalonian movement.

Not a single referendum with less than 50% of votes can be considered as valid. lol not even 100% of those 41-42% who "voted" have chosen yes. lmao


The vast majority of Catalonians want to be in Spain and it has been proven. Puigdemont has failed as well as the whole independence movement...
yeah, after the police use force to drag voters out of the voting booth, then you declare it is less than 50%. Great move.

Vast majority want to be in Spain, what are you, the CNN?
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Old 10-11-2017, 02:54 AM
 
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Which kind of stupidity is that? Mr.superiority complex?

Spain has only a 5.000$ difference from France in GDP PPP per capita according to 2016 numbers. The same superiority as Austria or Germany have to France (5-6.000$) because that's what matters. Your purchasing power.



This was in the worst year of the economic crisis in Spain, now Spain has few thousands more. Andalosia would be now yellow in the map, the Balears light blue and Cantabria dark green. Probably Rioja would also be light blue. lol, except for Paris there isn't a single French region with a GDP per capita (PPP) above Madrid, Catalonia, Navarre or the Basque Region.


And Spain arrived to exceed Italy and UK before the crisis....
But the "process" is still harming Catalan economy, even considering that the danger is over.
What was quite interesting to know is that the one that stopped all the separatist nonsense was not Spanish PM or Europe, but Catalan Business, Bancaixa, Isidre Fainé.
Some analysts erroneously compared Quebec to Catalonia, which is totally wrong.
Even if radical Catalan nationalists and separatist copied much of Quebec's narrative and even their disastrous education system and language laws, they are totally wrong.
Catalans are not a "minority exploited by Spanish".
Quebec expelled -or provoked the flight- of Anglo companies in favour of "French Canadians", that their narrative considered as exploited people by evil Anglos after loosing a battle...etc, etc. (here, nationalists copied all this B.S which is totally FALSE in the case of Catalonia).
Most Catalan corporations and big banks are homegrown, and their change of HQ and their fear provoked the fall of separatism.
Catalans are Spanish, but from an old nationality -those that got rid of muslim rule earlier, as many other Spanish nations.

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Old 10-11-2017, 03:36 AM
 
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For those who understand ES, the brilliant speech of a (charming) opponent of independence just after Pugdemon's "si pero no" :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slICWGqd6Kg
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Old 10-11-2017, 04:34 AM
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Of course it is not fair. The French government was smart enough to adopt a centralized and homogeneous French linguistic and culture policy since a long time ago and local languages have mostly died out before all this "I want to maintain my culture" thing becomes so important. This is why local separatism is weak because not many people even speak those languages any more... what to do, to form a country of 200,000 people? That would be stupid.

A centralized policy is always smart to maintaining the unification of the nation. Without a common language, and especially with strong regional language and culture, the country will always face the danger of separating.

"Cultural oppression"? Whether it is a good or bad thing depends on how you look at it. If you want to keep the country together, it is probably necessary, especially for larger countries.
Lol. What the French state did was even worse than what the Spanish did during the Franco dicatorship. Children were beaten up by not speaking French, regions were not allowed to practice their culture. That's not a democracy it's a cultural dicatorship. ANd so ironic since France loves to identify itself as a democracy where everybody is equal (a whole lot of rubbish IMO).

Despite being sympathetic to Catalans and their right to be independent, Spain did a good job in adminstrating autonomous regions after the fall of the dicatorship, where they speak their own language, learn it and pratice their culture. The French Catalans do not have any recoginistion within in the French government and very few can speak the language.
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Old 10-11-2017, 04:34 AM
 
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Jajaja...so Junqueres (ERC) is "Saxonwok" in disguise!!!!
Brilliant.
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Old 10-11-2017, 04:42 AM
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I feel exactly the same. Just like the case with Quebec (and its "extreme" language policy), it is about preservation of culture and identity, not a strong economy or whatever. A lot of people simply don't get it. They are like "I prefer a unified Spain" - yes of course you do, because it doesn't affect you in any way. And the rest of Spain of course doesn't want it to go because it makes Spain smaller and less powerful and it is not their culture that is being eroded so who cares. It is really not up for foreigners to judge whether Catalonia should break away (and especially not the EU).
So you defend and agree Catlonian independence and think that France did a great job (NOT) in oppressing and destroying regional langauges and cultures?
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Old 10-11-2017, 04:43 AM
 
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Lol. What the French state did was even worse than what the Spanish did during the Franco dicatorship. Children were beaten up by not speaking French, regions were not allowed to practice their culture. That's not a democracy it's a cultural dicatorship. ANd so ironic since France loves to identify itself as a democracy where everybody is equal (a whole lot of rubbish IMO).

Despite being sympathetic to Catalans and their right to be independent, Spain did a good job in adminstrating autonomous regions after the fall of the dicatorship, where they speak their own language, learn it and pratice their culture. The French Catalans do not have any recoginistion within in the French government and very few can speak the language.


And Franco treated far worse other regions, Andalusia, for example.
Franco trested best his worse enemies during the war; Madrid, Asturias, Basque Country and Catalonia.
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