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The problem with France's immigration situation is not about the number of immigrants, but what people to accept. As I said before, France should adopt a Canadian style immigration policy and only take in the kind of people with the skillsets it needs, instead of just massively allowing in relatives of existing immigrants.
If the economy needs soft engineers, then encourage engineer phds to come. If companies need mining workers, then welcome more workers with such skills. Those with minimum skills who are likely to be unemployed and stay in welfare should be kept out. It is simply not fair to French citizens.
That kind of immigration => selective immigration is considered here in FRANCE as UNACCEPTABLE, totally in opposition to Human Rights! What CANADA and USA are doing are totally evil from a French (the LEFT and the hard-left only now) perspective. You can not choose your migrants like your choose your shoes!
It is funny when we know that the anglo part of Canada find the burqa ban not acceptable whereas in France, it is essential to ban the burqa to respect Human Rights.
The anglo world has always been very late in understanding what is acceptable or not in terms of democracy and Human rights...they will understand that selective immigration, positive discrimination are not acceptable and wearing a burqa is not acceptable but 100/200 years later after the French, like always...
The French are always in advance in this domain but all countries follow in the long term...
In the real life, you can't choose and do what you want, there are rules.
According to INSEE in 2014, there are 590.000 Portuguese, 320.000 Italians and 250.000 Spanish citizens in France. Since when did you boost the numbers up to x10 times bigger than the real data?
In Spain there are also 120.000 French citizens, in Italy about 40.000 and in Portugal the number is very low so it doesn't appear.
Databook, You don't understand the difference between the number of people who came in France and are now French citizens and the number of non French citizens who live in France?
Yes there are 590K Portuguese in France but many million came during 19/20th century and are now French citizens from one, two, three generations.
It is extremely rare in France to know a person who has only French origins (parents+ grand parents + grand grand parents= all French born in France)
According to INSEE, 12 million people in France have one parent or grand parent who is not French.
17 million people in France have one parent or grand parent who was not French once in his life.
27 million people have one parent or grand parent or grand grand parent who was not French once in his life)
There is no other occidental country in this situation!
farinello, pholidota : The French emigration is very low compared to other European countries where it counts in million. It must be known that France was the most populous country of Europe for centuries while the waves of emigration were always low.
For example, for the French Revolution 1789/1800 out of 30 million inhabitants only 500,000 people emigrate, 250 000 returned.
For Argentina between 1857 and 1946, 261 020 only.
For Brazil between 1850 and 1965, 100 000 only.
For Chile between 1840 and 1940, 25 000 only.
For the USA/Canada it's the same, the French colonists are clearly under numbers compared to the English, German and other Europeans. Between 1765 and 1865, only 1487 French immigrants settled in Quebec.
Still today France have few expatriates compared to Germany, the UK, Italy and so on and the peculiarity is that a majority of expatriates return after 5 years.
Obviously!
Why would you go somewhere else when you have France haha...
French expats today = 1,2 million
British expats today = 5,7 million
I think he was talking about French citizens of foreign origin, for instance 4th generation algerians who can not find a job because they're considered scum of the society by people like you, can not rent an apartment, end up turning to religion because it's the only thing they'll ever have, then get radicalized and blow up some satyrical newspaper's staff because this newspaper constantly mocks their religion. Once this happens, the secular government asks the whole population of algerian origin to condemn the whole thing claiming their religion peaceful while at the same time asking the same people to forget about said religion because it's France, a secular country where we only celebrate christian holidays.
I mean, it's a complicated situation.
Total nonsense!
yeah yeah it is all French Whites and Christians fault, "native" French are vile and French from African regions are all victims...
Each of you (Citoyen and forgotten username and Xpat) are both totally disconnected with reality in their own way!
Come on, many ALgerians came 50 years ago. Right now it's at least the 3rd generation, 4th generation in some cases. Yes I know it's hard for everyone to rent apartments, but what I'm saying is it's even harder if your surname sounds arabic than French. It's been proven many times over.
No one say the contrary. We all know that if you are Portuguese, Asian (Chinese), or a Black man from Guadeloupe or a Black man from a French colonny, it is much easier to find a job than if you have Algerian/ Tunisian/Afghanistan backgrounds...
But the question is why? and the reason is simple!
France only imported the most uneducated people from second/third world countries...People who did not succeed in their own country and that's why they tried France...
Fortunately we also imported the Marrocan/ Tunisian elites but they are a small minority and they have no problem to succeed in France...
It is not about color, religion...
Descendents, famillies background played a major role in the success of an immigration policy!
If you invite the most backwards people from a country and especially if it is not one of the most developped countries..., you get the most stupid people even after 1, 2, 3 generations....The problem lasts
THIS IS THE MAIN REASON BUT NO ONE UNDERSTAND IT! Intelligent people make intelligent kids generally speaking...
This problem is not irreversible but it is very difficult to fix! As an optimistic person, I think we will succeed to integrate all of them but it will take much more time and if we do like Canada (selective immigration) for the new commers.
Isn't it curious that millions upon millions of Italians, Pole, Irishmen and other Europeans immigrated to the US often suffering real discrimination and racism ( the largest lynching involved Italians) and yet perfectly integrated?
That kind of immigration => selective immigration is considered here in FRANCE as UNACCEPTABLE, totally in opposition to Human Rights! What CANADA and USA are doing are totally evil from a French (the LEFT and the hard-left only now) perspective. You can not choose your migrants like your choose your shoes!
I first thought you were kidding before realizing you are serious...(?)
Well, if you can't choose migrants based on education and skills, then theoretically, it should not be based on family ties as well (which is still selective immigration). It should allow whoever want to move here do so, but is that possible?
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Originally Posted by amaroW
It is funny when we know that the anglo part of Canada find the burqa ban not acceptable whereas in France, it is essential to ban the burqa to respect Human Rights.
The anglo world has always been very late in understanding what is acceptable or not in terms of democracy and Human rights...they will understand that selective immigration, positive discrimination are not acceptable and wearing a burqa is not acceptable but 100/200 years later after the French, like always...
well, on Burqa I am 100% with the French government. Also on not providing specific diet to certain religious groups in public schools. Burqa is a gender oppression and there is no other way to explain it. It should be banned in all civilized countries.
In Canada, our PM is like "the government should not tell what women should wear", right, but the male Muslims ARE. Of course women prefer different kind of attires, but are we really saying 100% of women from some cultural background all prefer covering their entire bodies and faces in back, purely out of personal preference? That's laughable.
Isn't it curious that millions upon millions of Italians, Pole, Irishmen and other Europeans immigrated to the US often suffering real discrimination and racism ( the largest lynching involved Italians) and yet perfectly integrated?
yet blacks and Asians didn't.
Maybe in America it is more about race/skin colour, not ethnicity. Without an accent you can't tell if a white American is Italian, Polish or Irish, can you. But you can always tell a person is black or Asian.
I'd seriously debate that Asians did not integrate: despite suffering real racism and violence ( not current "islamophobia") they grew to become one of the most successful categories of people in the US, often outearning and outdoing whites:as a matter of fact, some of the most vehement opposers to Affirmative Action are Asians.
yet blacks and Asians didn't.
Maybe in America it is more about race/skin colour, not ethnicity. Without an accent you can't tell if a white American is Italian, Polish or Irish, can you. But you can always tell a person is black or Asian.
Asians didn't integrate?
What do you mean by it? All the statistics I saw underline the succees of asians minority in opposition of black and latinos.
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