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A foreign culture coopting another nation's ethno-history is fraught with implications. It is one thing to take over a land. It has happened for eons and continues to happen. It is another thing to diminish the history and heritage of those you have conquered. And it is yet another, and far more insidious, in my opinion, to steal it for yourself.
Modern "Greeks" are mostly Hellenized Slavs and Turks anyway so they can't exactly claim the ancestral history much more than the modern people of Macedonia. They are all Bulgarians...
The bulk of ancient macedonia was situated in present day Greece, of course they can claim the ancestral history, from the olympic games they competed in to aristotle being alexander the greats mentor..absolutely .nothing slavic about ancient macedonian history. No people with the names Igor, Riste, Vlado etc were in the area at the time. Hundreds of historians cant be wrong. This dispute at its core is basically centred around a nation trying to manufacture a fairytale history. The ancient macedonians were an undisputed greek tribe, like the athenians, spartans etc.
The bulk of ancient macedonia was situated in present day Greece, of course they can claim the ancestral history, from the olympic games they competed in to aristotle being alexander the greats mentor..absolutely .nothing slavic about ancient macedonian history. No people with the names Igor, Riste, Vlado etc were in the area at the time. Hundreds of historians cant be wrong. This dispute at its core is basically centred around a nation trying to manufacture a fairytale history. The ancient macedonians were an undisputed greek tribe, like the athenians, spartans etc.
Hang on you're with a group of people who claim northern Greece is occupied? They constantly provoke and make territorial claims on Greek land, how on earth is Greece not meant to take this seriously? Trying to thieve a history from another country is about as embarrassing it gets, ethnically these Slavs were not even in the region in Alexander the greats era. Go look at a map of Greece and pin point the city of Larissa, these so called Macedonians claim that everything down to Larissa belongs to them, it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. Hundreds of historians can't be wrong, the ancient writings can't be wrong, the fact the Macedonians competed in the Olympic Games which only Greeks were allowed to compete in is fact. The present day so called Macedonians did not arrive in the region until the seventh century AD, so why on earth would you want a nation to take up a stolen identity?
Greece had every right to protect its history and its Macedonian province.
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Originally Posted by Vlajos
Correct. Makedon, is an ancient Greek entity. It's two most important cities are in modern Greece and clearly have Greek alphabet inscriptions throughout the ruins. The modern FYROM state and it's people are not Macedonian.
Now, if both parties can come to an agreement where Greece will own the history of Alexander and Phillip II, while the Macedonians can have the Macedonian name that seems reasonable to me. For example, there are very few Britons in Britain. They are mostly Angles, Jutes, Danes and French.
The Greeks took an outlandish, petty and small position from the outset, but I guess you could say it was a fitting stance for a petty, small, and irresponsible country. The Greeks have beclowned themselves.
Seeing as this will move Macedonia towards joining the EU and NATO I expect Russia to start supporting "nationalists" against this issue being resolved. Looking for something similar that we saw in Montenegro last couple of years.
Now, if both parties can come to an agreement where Greece will own the history of Alexander and Phillip II, while the Macedonians can have the Macedonian name that seems reasonable to me. For example, there are very few Britons in Britain. They are mostly Angles, Jutes, Danes and French.
The Greeks took an outlandish, petty and small position from the outset, but I guess you could say it was a fitting stance for a petty, small, and irresponsible country. The Greeks have beclowned themselves.
Greece offered them solutions a decade ago, ones that even included the word Macedonia, not only did they decline, they went and built statues of Alexander the Great in Skopje and renamed the airport after him, they hang maps in every classroom of a greater Macedonia which includes all of northern Greece! If anything Greece has shown restraint. Countries would go to war for less! You have a destabilised region in the Balkans as it is and your northern neighbour is teaching its citizens that your cities are occupied and belong to them, how on earth is the Greek stance petty? If anything Greece has been caught with its pants down for not taking this situation seriously from the outset.
Greece offered them solutions a decade ago, ones that even included the word Macedonia, not only did they decline, they went and built statues of Alexander the Great in Skopje and renamed the airport after him, they hang maps in every classroom of a greater Macedonia which includes all of northern Greece! If anything Greece has shown restraint. Countries would go to war for less! You have a destabilised region in the Balkans as it is and your northern neighbour is teaching its citizens that your cities are occupied and belong to them, how on earth is the Greek stance petty? If anything Greece has been caught with its pants down for not taking this situation seriously from the outset.
I can understand this angle. Greek culture and history is in many ways underrated. A lot of things attributed to the Romans have their Origins in ancient Greece. Many people are not aware of the extent of Greek culture due to the fact that the nation was subjugated by more powerful entities throughout history.
Seeing as this will move Macedonia towards joining the EU and NATO I expect Russia to start supporting "nationalists" against this issue being resolved. Looking for something similar that we saw in Montenegro last couple of years.
it's like you're 20 years behind politically - the last time people wanted to join EU was ~2000 as it was the last time when russia was considered world power.
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