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Old 06-13-2018, 01:40 PM
 
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Fascinating. Has anybody in your family cataloged the items of historical note? If the items are just sitting in storage, a museum might be interested in borrowing them for an exhibit. They might do some research and discover more details about your family.
One of the letters from the King assigning land/deeds ... This one is from the 1400s - I believe late 1400s



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Old 06-13-2018, 09:09 PM
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One of the letters from the King assigning land/deeds ... This one is from the 1400s - I believe late 1400s
Thank you for posting this.
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Old 06-14-2018, 11:05 PM
 
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That's what I meant by their being "still out there," but I don't understand what keeps that status going for them. Why are they still recognized as currently relevant historical royalty, while other historical royal families have faded into "commoner" status?
Which royal families have faded though? The German ones are alive and well, with many of them forming the elite of modern Germany. Germany is also the nexus of most of Europe's royal families so that easily covers the majority of European royal houses.

France is the main European country without a major royal elite but then they love their revolution to the point that the status of being royal probably evaporated. France's monarchy is also close to the Spanish and German monarchies, with Spain hosting most of the French royal elite.
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Old 06-19-2018, 11:59 PM
 
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Really, failing to completely remember any other trace of media talk on every monarchy out there: https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-1024x5061.jpg Spain, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Morocco, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia, Japan, Brunei. Woah, I don’t even know them.
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Old 06-20-2018, 01:36 AM
 
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France: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-37655777


https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/France_Nobility


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...-non-1.1462071


https://www.davidplusworld.com/whats...acy-in-france/


Spain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ndees_of_Spain


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-feud-heritage


https://www.ft.com/content/2638901c-...2-00144feabdc0


https://www.quora.com/How-does-the-S...-nobility-work


Germany: Indifference reigns over homegrown German


https://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/t...6journeys.html


https://www.thelocal.de/20110221/33253


https://aleteia.org/2018/06/12/a-rea...e-differently/


King and Queen of Belgium attend German duke's funeral | Daily Mail Online


And so it goes.....


Long story short in much of Europe the aristocracy is still alive and well. Their financial status ranges from wealthy (some are quite well off indeed), others anywhere from middle-class to near or in poverty. All noble houses are affected and expected to abide by laws of their own countries and the EU which includes things such as same sex marriage. Unlike their ancestors these nobles are not exempt and expected to pay their share of taxes just like anyone else.


French magazine "Point de Vue" follows European royalty and nobility, and enjoys a wide healthy circulation not just in Europe but elsewhere.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Poin...iw=853&bih=561


The man who would be king of France and Navarre; Prince Louis de Bourbon:


https://www.google.com/search?biw=85....0.YJwLHWNDWkE


Prince Louis de Bourbon : HEC-TV


Despite all the liberté, égalité, fraternité there is still a segment of French society where being "royal" or "noble" matters. These people act pretty much as if the revolutions, republics and so for don't really matter. They all know each other, marry each other and otherwise attempt to carry on the traditions of their ancestors.
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Old 06-25-2018, 11:03 AM
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Which royal families have faded though? The German ones are alive and well, with many of them forming the elite of modern Germany. Germany is also the nexus of most of Europe's royal families so that easily covers the majority of European royal houses.

France is the main European country without a major royal elite but then they love their revolution to the point that the status of being royal probably evaporated. France's monarchy is also close to the Spanish and German monarchies, with Spain hosting most of the French royal elite.
I understand that some royal families who no longer rule have maintained their wealth and some degree of influence. I guess it's just a combination of external circumstances, as well as the family's ability to keep themselves wealthy and connected, that determines their ability to still be regarded as relevant, non-ruling royalty.

Although they're a part of British royalty, this documentary about British dukes is interesting.

https://youtu.be/t_5guNuh0hU
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Old 07-09-2018, 02:40 AM
 
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Really, failing to completely remember any other trace of media talk on every monarchy out there: https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-1024x5061.jpg Spain, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Morocco, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia, Japan, Brunei. Woah, I don’t even know them.
Seriously? Never? I guess you don't read much about those countries.
You might want to start with this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristocracy_(class)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchies_in_Europe
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...e-1675709.html
https://abcnews.go.com/International...d=80885&page=1
https://m.dw.com/en/central-europes-...back/a-2108746

BTW: Poland is the only post-communist country in the region that has not passed a restitution or compensation law to redress the "plunder perpetrated by the state on its citizens".

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Old 07-09-2018, 03:46 PM
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Yes plenty of items are in a museum. For example, my baptism baby gown is in the museum of Presidency because it was my great great great grandfathers... which he was the first president of the republic after the monarchy fell ... among other things that are in a "lending" status in museus such as paintings, personal items etc... with this, we are usually invited yearly to the presidential dinner at the holiday that celebrates the implementation of republic... which is neat.


As for why people give it relevancy even after the monarchy? No idea... I guess the "name" gives it status... it's not uncommon for example for bankrupt old noble families to partner/marry outside their social circle to people/families that are from more humble origins but have created a lot of wealth... the "new" wealthy family sees this as a way to gain more social status etc... w hile the bankrupt side might think its a good arrangement because of the $ ... not saying this is all the cases but it certainly happens.

I have always been of the opinion that origins don't matter - and certainly they don't - however with adulthood and my growth years, I have learnt to appreciate the fact of having so much history and sort of being proud of my origins.
Are you referring to Teófilo Braga?
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Old 07-09-2018, 10:38 PM
 
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Really, failing to completely remember any other trace of media talk on every monarchy out there: https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-1024x5061.jpg Spain, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Morocco, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia, Japan, Brunei. Woah, I don’t even know them.
Good to see you're still with us! . Are you aware that King Michael of Romania passed away last December?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.fefef8670d18
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