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They were going to today but pushed it back to tomorrow due to the large number of MP's who want to speak about it. The name change is an odd compromise to be sure. I mean, how can calling it North Macedonia mean whatever issues they had are gone? It appears to be symbolic...however the push is from all sides to settle this and bring Macedonia into the fold of Europe and NATO. This is partially due to Russia's actions in the past few years...They will interfere in Serbia and by extension Bosina to keep them from joining the EU but it looks like the rest of the countries in the region will make it in.
Serbia officially applied for EU 9 or 10 years ago and received full candidate status. Negotiations started on 2014.
Serbia officially applied for EU 9 or 10 years ago and received full candidate status. Negotiations started on 2014.
Yes and recently they were given an accession date, 2025. However, they have to resolve the Kosovo issue first. You think Russia/Putin will allow Serbia to recognize Kosovo? Then you haven't been paying attention. Russia has essentially a veto over Serbia recognizing Kosovo, thus a veto over joining the EU or NATO. This is what Putin desires with Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova too and he isn't afraid to seek a military solution to get what he wants.
Bosnia just got its NATO action plan approved but guess who Putin helped get elected on the Republika Srpska side: someone who will block further integration.
Albania just started EU negotiations and I bet dollars to donuts they will get into the EU first.
Serbia officially applied for EU 9 or 10 years ago and received full candidate status. Negotiations started on 2014.
Serbia will never join to EU.
Most important condition to Serbia for joining to EU is to recognize Kosovo as independent state. Serbia will never recognize Kosovo, not even for all treasure of this world.
Expectation from Serbia to recognize Kosovo is same nonsense as expectation from Israel to renounce of Jerusalem.
Even if Serbia recognize Kosovo (this will never happen, but I say hypothetically), Russia, China, Israel, Spain and some other cointries will not recognize.
Yes and recently they were given an accession date, 2025. However, they have to resolve the Kosovo issue first. You think Russia/Putin will allow Serbia to recognize Kosovo? Then you haven't been paying attention. Russia has essentially a veto over Serbia recognizing Kosovo, thus a veto over joining the EU or NATO. This is what Putin desires with Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova too and he isn't afraid to seek a military solution to get what he wants.
Bosnia just got its NATO action plan approved but guess who Putin helped get elected on the Republika Srpska side: someone who will block further integration.
Albania just started EU negotiations and I bet dollars to donuts they will get into the EU first.
If I ever learned anything in Serbian language, it's this - "Kosovo je Srbija."
I can hear them whispering/writing it like some kind of a secret password, some kind of a secret prayer.
It's clearly something sacred to them, but for you of course it's all about "Putin."
As usual.
This is one of the stupidest things in the entire world and the Greeks are 100% in the wrong. A country can call itself whatever they want. I have absolutely no horse in this race (my ancestors are Norwegian) but it'll always be Macedonia to me, no matter what they want them to put in front of it ("FYR", "North", whatever).
And even though I think the EU is stupid, and I'm glad Norway has not joined, and hope they never will - if Macedonia WANTS to join they should be able to, no matter what Greece thinks about it.
If I ever learned anything in Serbian language, it's this - "Kosovo je Srbija."
I can hear them whispering/writing it like some kind of a secret password, some kind of a secret prayer.
It's clearly something sacred to them, but for you of course it's all about "Putin."
As usual.
That's true. It has nothing to do with Putin, since he wasn't even president at the time of the Kosovo crisis. Kosovo has been important to Serbs since medieval times. There was a great battle fought there in the 14th century against the Ottomans.
On the other hand, Albanians claim that they were the original inhabitants that were there long before the Serbs showed up. I guess that's a story for another time.
That's true. It has nothing to do with Putin, since he wasn't even president at the time of the Kosovo crisis. Kosovo has been important to Serbs since medieval times. There was a great battle fought there in the 14th century against the Ottomans.
On the other hand, Albanians claim that they were the original inhabitants that were there long before the Serbs showed up. I guess that's a story for another time.
Albanians are settlers in Kosovo from late 17th, 18th and 19th century. Albanian colonizations of Kosovo happened on the incentive of Ottomans. Because a lot of Serbs migrated from Kosovo to Pannonia in 1690 and 1739 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_...s_of_the_Serbs and Ottomans needed new loyal population of Muslims religion. Serbs migrated to Pannonia because they made uprisings against the Ottomans and they were scared of Ottoman revenge.
Regardless of huge Serbian migrations from Kosovo in 17th and 18th century Serbs were majority until late 19th century. In late 19th century Albanians became relative majority in Kosovo.
In period 1879-1912 over 150 00 Serbs was espelled from Kosovo by Albanians. Since Albanians arrived to Kosovo they were loyal Ottoman servants to 1912. From late 17th century to 1912 Christian Serbs were under represion of Muslim Albanians in Kosovo. Albanians committed a lot of crimes against the Serbs in Ottoman time.
Yes and recently they were given an accession date, 2025. However, they have to resolve the Kosovo issue first. You think Russia/Putin will allow Serbia to recognize Kosovo? Then you haven't been paying attention. Russia has essentially a veto over Serbia recognizing Kosovo, thus a veto over joining the EU or NATO. This is what Putin desires with Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova too and he isn't afraid to seek a military solution to get what he wants.
Bosnia just got its NATO action plan approved but guess who Putin helped get elected on the Republika Srpska side: someone who will block further integration.
Albania just started EU negotiations and I bet dollars to donuts they will get into the EU first.
Russia/Putin? You really think even Serbia absent any influence is going to all so gracefully recognize Kosovo? It is not like all of a sudden the Serbs are in total agreement and closure with the Kosovo situation, and only big, ole mean Russia is influencing them.
FFS, it is not like the Serbs are just fine that their ancestral homeland is now New Albania.
How does this compare to say Turkey, NATO member and at one time on a path or nearly so, to being in the EU, despite occupying part of Cyprus? And recognizing the occupied part as a country even though no one else does?
This is one of the stupidest things in the entire world and the Greeks are 100% in the wrong. A country can call itself whatever they want. I have absolutely no horse in this race (my ancestors are Norwegian) but it'll always be Macedonia to me, no matter what they want them to put in front of it ("FYR", "North", whatever).
And even though I think the EU is stupid, and I'm glad Norway has not joined, and hope they never will - if Macedonia WANTS to join they should be able to, no matter what Greece thinks about it.
At least you have no horse in this race
Since you have joined this conversation , mind that regardless from your personal opinion, Greece doesn't give up parts of its identity to other countries
Russia/Putin? You really think even Serbia absent any influence is going to all so gracefully recognize Kosovo? It is not like all of a sudden the Serbs are in total agreement and closure with the Kosovo situation, and only big, ole mean Russia is influencing them.
They likely won't unless there is a huge economic incentive to do so and even then it's highly unlikely.
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FFS, it is not like the Serbs are just fine that their ancestral homeland is now New Albania.
They definitely are not, though I personally don't care anymore. The country has it's own set of problems to deal with that Kosovo should be the last thing on it's mind. At this point, it's in the same boat as Greeks trying to reclaim Constantinople.
Had Serbs played their cards right throughout the 80's and 90's this could have been avoided. And no, that doesn't justify NATO' s 1999 air campaign, though I'm glad that it finally gave Milosevic the boot.
As you could probably tell, I make for a terrible Serb. Perhaps it's the Croat/ Italian mixture that kicks in. :
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How does this compare to say Turkey, NATO member and at one time on a path or nearly so, to being in the EU, despite occupying part of Cyprus? And recognizing the occupied part as a country even though no one else does?
Turkey was of strategic importance to the West during the Cold War as well as during the more recent Iraq War.
Greece is too weak to help Greek Cypriots retake the whole island, while the international community refuses to recognize Turkey's claim but sits idle.
It's also interesting to note that Cyprus is right next door to Israel, another country with it's own set of controversies. Jerusalem gets the spotlight for being a divided city, while Nicosia is largely ignored.
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