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You and golgi are lost. Franco butchered the anarchists. He has no respect for human life. And his goal was only ever power for himself.
Review the History of the Spanish Civil War. It's the Communists (Under the orders of the Communist International based in Moscow) who slaughtered the Anarchists( look on Wikipedia : "the Bloody Week of Barcelona 1938"). The same Communists (like the "poet"Rafael Alberti who spent the whole war with mistresses and champagne in a Madrid palace, all the while calling for the Chekas to "exterminate more fascists"),who, at the end of the War, fled from Valencia with the gold of the Bank of Spain....
The Socialists and Marxists now in power in Madrid (since the "impeachment" earlier this year of the former Conservative Prime minister) just can't accept, in 2018, that their forefathers 80 years ago lost the Spanish Civil War, so as any self-respecting Leftists, they want to re-write History and naively believe that removing the Caudillo's coffin from the Valle de los Caidos will change the course of History. While they are busy fighting a lost war, they forget to manage pressing issues like the terrible economic situation (20% unemployment), the illegal migrants problem, the Catalan separatism, etc.
I'm very pessimistic as to the future of that country that seeme more and more to fall in a former Yugoslavia -style scenario..
Political theater is good business, for a few, the world over.
Like insurance and ideologies, I'd certainly rather sell it than buy it.
But most people acquiesce to having the wool pulled over their eyes.
You and golgi are lost. Franco butchered the anarchists. He has no respect for human life. And his goal was only ever power for himself.
Review the History of the Spanish Civil War. It's the Communists (Under the orders of the Communist International based in Moscow) who slaughtered the Anarchists( look on Wikipedia : "the Bloody Week of Barcelona 1938"). The same Communists (like the "poet"Rafael Alberti who spent the whole war with mistresses and champagne in a Madrid palace, all the while calling for the Chekas to "exterminate more fascists"),who, at the end of the War, fled from Valencia with the gold of the Bank of Spain....
I know Stalin was involved with their murder. So were the republicans and the Fascists (Franco).
Just because others were involved does not clear him of crimes against humanity.
Please, with your sermonizing. The "anarchists" butchered innocent citizens, like typical communists, and got what they deserved. As they always should. Non-European outsiders, such as yourself, should not be cheering them on. You have zero place in this argument. Worry about Central Asia, from where you hail.
As if communists have any respect for human life. See the hundred million dead at their hand in the 20th century, and that's if we exclude the military dead from the wars that would not have occurred if not for their existence.
Why is it that Hispanics are continuously so enamored with the Marxist system that has only led to their misery in Latin America and widespread misery in Europe? Is it the promise of free resources? Work harder like everyone else.
We're used to lazy communist propaganda in regard to non-communists who kill communists. Its exactly the same in every generation. The communists in the USA have even become so lazy so as to use it for Trump, as we speak. See here:
Its nothing but repetitive (over generations) and ultra-lazy propaganda by the same people who used it to foment the Russian Revolution and eventually massacre the monarchy. Its exactly the same, and completely mailed-in. You can save it.
I can state my opinion on any world subject, we are all citizens of this earth.
The anarchists only worked with the state so that the communists wouldn't take over. And even then they allowed for free production by people by their abilities.
In Barcelona, rather than nationalize all the production means, they made them free to use by any union members and even individuals were allowed to produce for themselves.
The means by which they de-privatized were morose due to the war and outside influence, but even then, it stands as an example of what true freedom can achieve.
As for Franco, just because you don't like the anarchists (or the communists) doesn't mean he had a moral right to butcher them all, especially when he himself was dictatorial.
I can state my opinion on any world subject, we are all citizens of this earth.
There is no such legal concept as Citizen of the Earth.
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As for Franco, just because you don't like the anarchists (or the communists) doesn't mean he had a moral right to butcher them all, especially when he himself was dictatorial.
All communists call anyone to the Right of them "dictatorial", which is completely ironic given how communism always manifests.
The term has no meaning from the Left. See my prior The Atlantic link where a Neocon (with their roots in Leninism) calls Trump a "Tyrant".
A nationalist leader doing what he needs to do for the tribal population, especially against those that would see them culturally and otherwise destroyed, is not a dictatorship. Its preservation, and his supporters desire it.
One of those actions is eradicating communist butchers. Franco had a moral right to do what he did, as those communists that you are defending had slaughtered thousands of innocents. As communists always do. So, please, save your one sided moralizing. The communists started a war and Franco finished it. Play murderous games, and reap your reward.
During their short period of existence, these groups detained and executed thousands of members of The Church, Carlists, and other people against the revolution in Barcelona and the surrounding areas.
Crazy to think that in 1970 Spain and Portugal where fascist. Columbia was a mess. China was largely poor and undeveloped. Poland was communist. Iran was secular and Venezuela and Turkey where stable democracies. Amazing how quickly things can change on the global scale.
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There is no such legal concept as Citizen of the Earth.
All communists call anyone to the Right of them "dictatorial", which is completely ironic given how communism always manifests.
The term has no meaning from the Left. See my prior The Atlantic link where a Neocon (with their roots in Leninism) calls Trump a "Tyrant".
A nationalist leader doing what he needs to do for the tribal population, especially against those that would see them culturally and otherwise destroyed, is not a dictatorship. Its preservation, and his supporters desire it.
One of those actions is eradicating communist butchers. Franco had a moral right to do what he did, as those communists that you are defending had slaughtered thousands of innocents. As communists always do. So, please, save your one sided moralizing. The communists started a war and Franco finished it. Play murderous games, and reap your reward.
The communists sucked and I'm glad they loss.
But Franco was a Nazi backed murderer, nothing good would have come from him.
I'm glad his family will claim his remains. I personally think they should leave it alone. It's a part of their history, no matter if good or bad. It happened.
I'm glad they're going to try to identify others buried there but am curious how they'll do that. It's going to be expensive especially if they use DNA. I wonder if they'll use GEDmatch or if they have their own DNA database?
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In addition to exhuming Franco, the government also plans to unearth and identify the 114,000-or-so victims of the civil war and the four decades of dictatorship that followed under Franco.
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No different than the Liberal mindset here in the United States, constantly renaming roads, schools and taking down monuments in order to white wash history in order to appear to correct what they perceive to be an injustice in the past.
If Liberals wanted to really do that, then they would have to do away with the United States completely, for no one has suffered as much as the native Americans. Dare I say they had it worse than slaves; yes slaves were treated horribly and punished, but they were not exterminated en masse. People always talk about the holocaust in Europe, but no one ever wants to admit of the holocaust here in what is now the United States.
Some reading this will know what I speak of, but most will brush it off, and I would expect it as most (Americans) are ignorant of the TRUE history of what happened to the native Americans.
I agree with what you're saying. We have a lot of people that want statues removed or whatever because of the history but without all the history America would not be the America we know now.
I'm glad his family will claim his remains. I personally think they should leave it alone. It's a part of their history, no matter if good or bad. It happened.
I'm glad they're going to try to identify others buried there but am curious how they'll do that. It's going to be expensive especially if they use DNA. I wonder if they'll use GEDmatch or if they have their own DNA database?
I agree with what you're saying. We have a lot of people that want statues removed or whatever because of the history but without all the history America would not be the America we know now.
When the argument is put that way, I’d agree.
But I’d also like unanimous agreement on the evil of Franco.
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