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Old 12-02-2018, 01:13 PM
 
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Finland is just in an unfortunate position that they have to share a pretty long border with a mighty authoritarian regime. I wish my country had Petsamo as a buffer.
Yes it is.
When it comes to today's authoritarian regime though, thank Bill Clinton for it many times.
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Old 12-02-2018, 01:19 PM
 
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It’s not a ridiculous question.

Russia invaded and annexed land from another country.

How would Russia like it if another country did that to Russia?
Yes, Russia took the Crimea back from Ukraine, because Ukraine unlawfully took it from Russia when they declared independence from the USSR.
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Old 12-02-2018, 04:53 PM
 
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Yes, Russia took the Crimea back from Ukraine, because Ukraine unlawfully took it from Russia when they declared independence from the USSR.
Crimea was part of Ukraine when Ukraine became independent. Ukraine simply kept the territory that it had at the time. That’s how all Soviet republics treated their territory. The sense at the time was that borders could not be changed.
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Old 12-02-2018, 05:11 PM
 
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If Russia can take back Crimea, by force, why can’t Germany take back East Prussia, known now as Kaliningrad (the small territory that Russia has between Poland and Lithuania)?

How would Russia like that?
Only as long as the U.S. of A. gives Florida, Texas, California, Arizona back to Mexico;
Israel gives back all of Palestine to its rightful owners, the Palestinians;
Aussies return back to England and "return" stolen lands to Aborigines;
Whites leave Hawaii, Canada, South Africa, Brazil, etc.

Then we'll talk about Crimea which was Russian for 300 years before Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine in 1954.
Oh, which is 90% Russian.
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Old 12-02-2018, 05:12 PM
 
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Crimea was part of Ukraine when Ukraine became independent. Ukraine simply kept the territory that it had at the time. That’s how all Soviet republics treated their territory. The sense at the time was that borders could not be changed.
Actually, it was never addressed.

The borders of the USSR republics were made for the good of the USSR, not for the republics nor the people.

As of now, there are several border issues among different republics, ranging from just some words to out right conflict.

The borders should have been addressed upon the break up, but they were just ignored as were all the issues that go along with it. So all it created was a powder keg.
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Old 12-02-2018, 05:24 PM
 
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If Russia can take back Crimea, by force, why can’t Germany take back East Prussia, known now as Kaliningrad (the small territory that Russia has between Poland and Lithuania)?

How would Russia like that?

Germany does not want it back.
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Old 12-02-2018, 05:28 PM
 
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Crimea was part of Ukraine when Ukraine became independent. Ukraine simply kept the territory that it had at the time. That’s how all Soviet republics treated their territory. The sense at the time was that borders could not be changed.
The border was always in question. In thee early 90s Russia and Ukraine reached a compromise. Ukraine and Russia would keep it jointly. Russia was not going to give up the military installations there and Ukraine was butthurt about having to give it up.

2014 comes around and the lunatic junta comes into power. Russia is NOT going to allow NATO on the Crimea.

I already explained all of this to you. If you don't understand it you just don't care to. Everything is publicly available.
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Old 12-02-2018, 06:15 PM
 
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Only as long as the U.S. of A. gives Florida, Texas, California, Arizona back to Mexico;
Israel gives back all of Palestine to its rightful owners, the Palestinians;
Aussies return back to England and "return" stolen lands to Aborigines;
Whites leave Hawaii, Canada, South Africa, Brazil, etc.

Then we'll talk about Crimea which was Russian for 300 years before Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine in 1954.
Oh, which is 90% Russian.
Florida never belonged to Mexico.

There are more Asians in Hawaii than whites.
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Old 12-02-2018, 09:58 PM
 
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Actually, it was never addressed.

The borders of the USSR republics were made for the good of the USSR, not for the republics nor the people.

As of now, there are several border issues among different republics, ranging from just some words to out right conflict.

The borders should have been addressed upon the break up, but they were just ignored as were all the issues that go along with it. So all it created was a powder keg.
Including the wars fought between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Btw what do people on this thread think about Nagorno-Karabakh, does it belong to Armenia (because the people there are Armenian) or is it part of Azerbaijan (because that’s how the soviets drew the borders)?

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Old 12-02-2018, 11:03 PM
 
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Crimea was part of Ukraine when Ukraine became independent. Ukraine simply kept the territory that it had at the time. That’s how all Soviet republics treated their territory. The sense at the time was that borders could not be changed.
Ukraine was still in the Soviet Union when Crimea was independent.

The people voted twice to void Ukraine's annexation of Crimea.

Ukraine and the US sponsors decided to play hardball with the ethnic Russians who were protesting the EuroMaidan coup in Kiev. The massacre of protestors in Odessa nearby took place just a couple of months before Crimea's referendum where they sought the safety of Russia. It might have turned out differently if the new government had sought a political path towards unifying the country..
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