Has Paris really gotten this bad? (place, German, Portuguese, English)

[iron_stick]

One more of those threads....What's causing so much emotion? Is it all the graffiti on the walls, or is it the fact that parisians portrayed on the video don't look like this?
The OP displays one video authored by an far right guy, and another by a Zionist Jew. Clearly, each one of them has an agenda which is to demonize local Muslim communities to prove their point. In addition to that, North Americans from minority backgrounds tend to be particularly bothered by seeing people of non-European phenotype in France.

[Minato ku]

Originally Posted by skeddy

Paris has changed in the past 10-15 years. Graffiti all over Western European cities. Not like it used to be.

Paris had a lot of graffiti 10-15 years ago, especially in late 1990s early 1990s. Much more than nowaday.

Lots of people seems to be very clueless about Paris and tend to create an imaginary past for the city.

Here picture in Paris metro in late 80s early 90s.


Even a famous station like Louvre Rivoli had been invaded by graffiti at some time (it was in 1991).

http://www.leparisien.fr/paris-75/pa...18-7631391.php

[citoyen]

No immmigration is good! You racist!

[rovia]

Only clueless non-traveled, racist Americans who think Paris ought to look like something straight out of Disneyland think Paris is a disaster because of IMMIGRATION (insert scary music here).

Americans grow their entire lives watching Hollywood movies and imagining Naples, Paris, Rome, Barcelona as some form of Disney like place. They do not understand these are very old cities packed with millions of people and millions of tourists making them chaotic, masively stressful type of cities.



Then they come to Europe and relize Europe is a LIVING CONTINENT, not a museum for dumb Americans to take selfies, and upon the realization that in Europe you can also have trash, fights, graffitti, seedy áreas, they go back to their country disgruntled and bewildered and immediately blame the muslims (like everything, Amerimutt must always blame muslim or anyone with a darker skin tone).

I have been visiting Paris since 1968 and it has not changed.

Back in the 70's for example the área around Montmartre was to be avoided as it used to be full of prostitutes, drug dealers, thieves. Now Montmartre is becoming Hípster Paradise.

In the 80's Paris was at its worst… I remember some parts were starting to look like NYC looked in the 70's (A war zone).

Paris is an enormous city full of tourists and all sorts of locals…. any one with half a functioning brain realices enormous metrópolis like Paris Will always be prone to be seedy, dirty, chaotic.

[rovia]

If you truly want to see what apocalipsis looks like, Google NYC in the 70's. Now, that was a massive garbage dump!

[ilovelondon]

Americans tend to have a romanticised view of Europe, mainly due to advertising. When Americans think of Rome, they think of Audrey Hepburn in "Roman Holiday". Some get disappointed when they find out London does not resemble the London depicted in "Mary Poppins" (although some parts still look like that). They travel to France hoping to find people wearing berets carrying a bagful of baguettes, or to Bavaria with locals wearing lederhosens, so they can post pics of these locals on their Instagram. They see Europe as one big Disney World, and any resemblance to real life -- graffiti, homelessness, non-white residents, etc. -- shatters that image. They get frustrated and angry that they spent thousands of dollars for a "once in a lifetime" trip, only to find out that the Europe they were led to believe does not exist.

[citoyen]

Originally Posted by rovia

I have been visiting Paris since 1968 and it has not changed.

Lol.
In 1968, majority of inhabitant were french whites people. Now half of the city looks like africa...

[HomeIsWhere...]

Cue the music...The evil Americans are at it again, damn them!

And yet...if I am not mistaken, the OP is from Canada (Has Paris really gotten this bad?) so how is it that once again...all of a sudden the Americans have stolen the show.

Originally Posted by iron_stick

One more of those threads....What's causing so much emotion? Is it all the graffiti on the walls, or is it the fact that parisians portrayed on the video don't look like this?
The OP displays one video authored by an far right guy, and another by a Zionist Jew. Clearly, each one of them has an agenda which is to demonize local Muslim communities to prove their point. In addition to that, North Americans from minority backgrounds tend to be particularly bothered by seeing people of non-European phenotype in France.

Hmm, who knew?

Originally Posted by rovia

Only clueless non-traveled, racist Americans who think Paris ought to look like something straight out of Disneyland think Paris is a disaster because of IMMIGRATION (insert scary music here).

Americans grow their entire lives watching Hollywood movies and imagining Naples, Paris, Rome, Barcelona as some form of Disney like place. They do not understand these are very old cities packed with millions of people and millions of tourists making them chaotic, masively stressful type of cities.

Then they come to Europe and relize Europe is a LIVING CONTINENT, not a museum for dumb Americans to take selfies, and upon the realization that in Europe you can also have trash, fights, graffitti, seedy áreas, they go back to their country disgruntled and bewildered and immediately blame the muslims (like everything, Amerimutt must always blame muslim or anyone with a darker skin tone).

I have been visiting Paris since 1968 and it has not changed.

Back in the 70's for example the área around Montmartre was to be avoided as it used to be full of prostitutes, drug dealers, thieves. Now Montmartre is becoming Hípster Paradise.

In the 80's Paris was at its worst… I remember some parts were starting to look like NYC looked in the 70's (A war zone).

Paris is an enormous city full of tourists and all sorts of locals…. any one with half a functioning brain realices enormous metrópolis like Paris Will always be prone to be seedy, dirty, chaotic.

With all due respect, would you clarify if it (NYC) in the 70's looked like a real war zone or some form of a Disney like place? Which is it? And to use your own analogy isn't NYC a LIVING CITY, part of a LIVING CONTINENT?

Freaking racist Americans, themselves living in Disneyland, cannot understand that not all of the world looks and lives like they do, damn them Americans!

Originally Posted by citoyen

Lol. In 1968, majority of inhabitant were french whites people. Now half of the city looks like africa...

Are you an "ugly" racist American living in France?

[rovia]

Originally Posted by citoyen

Lol.
In 1968, majority of inhabitant were french whites people. Now half of the city looks like africa...

no it wasn't
back in those days it was full of Polish, Arabs were starting to become numerous, tons of gypsies and migrants from Italy, Portugal, Spain.

There were parts of Paris where you wouldn't even see a frenchman.


Not only that, but there were places, especially in the east side of the city that were pretty dangerous at night.

I recall a Young man getting stabbed near la gare de Lyon, his body laying there dead, back then no Arabs but tons of seedy nasty knife carrying Europeans.


Plus you reap what you sow, France has caused a big deal of chaos in Africa.

[QuebecOpec]

Originally Posted by rovia

Americans grow their entire lives watching Hollywood movies and imagining Naples, Paris, Rome, Barcelona as some form of Disney like place. They do not understand these are very old cities packed with millions of people and millions of tourists making them chaotic, masively stressful type of cities.

I totally agree with Urban Luis, that Paris/ÃŽle-de-France has gotten worse and horrifying in some aspects.

rovia, you make the assertion that dirtyness is natural in big metropolises and that cleanliness shouldn't be expected. The causality is for you the intensity of urbanness.

This is a very wrong assertion because both dirtyness and cleanliness are a cultural thing.

Tokyo is 3x times bigger than Paris, and much cleaner than Paris nevertheless.

Why was Western Berlin, which had lots of Muslim migrants, so scruffy compared to tidy Eastern Berlin, which had no significant Muslim migration?
Therefore migration from countries where cleanliness is not valued, may very well make the recipient country scruffier.

The stratification and social inequality has much increased in Paris since 1990.

Originally Posted by HomeIsWhere...

And yet...if I am not mistaken, the OP is from Canada (Has Paris really gotten this bad?) so how is it that once again...all of a sudden the Americans have stolen the show.

Every Canadian, every Mexican, every Brazilian, every Venezuelian is an American


All of Canada is America, but not all of America is Canada. So it's 100% correct to state that Urban Luis is American and that Americans have stolen the show. (And Anglo-Canada is the closest thing to US-America, like Republic of Ireland and northern Ireland)