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I never understood why prosperous nations like Sweden thought that absorbing borderline 3rd world nations was a good idea. Don't get me started on issues like doing away with your national currencies.
I think this attitude is what holds the US back. Yes, I said back. Just because the government does not hold its religious affiliation on its sleeves like Russia and the US. Does not mean a government union will fail. Their national identity is what it is. You live in Sweden you are Swedish, you live in Germany you are German. Regardless of color or whatever religious view you might hold is indifferent. The people are opening up and moving above the US in terms of realizng what is important. And that is a safe environment to grow in and where people are taken cared off. If the country, Portugal doesn't provide adequate care than the people can freely move to Spain to enjoy the higher living standard. If that isn't possible then they can move to France or Germany or England, etc etc. The EU is the way the world should be and I am hoping that it continues to grow and prosper
Holds the U.S. back from what?
Being the world leader in technology and innovation? Having the lowest unemployment rates in the industrialized world?
Besides the Airbus 380, which no one is buying, what has Europe given the world over the past thirty years that could be considered innovative? Where are the great Italian film makers?
How long do you think you can sustain abandoning work for two months out of the year?
The welfare state of Europe is destroying it's people. How can you be self reliant or self starting when the government wipes your behind for you?
Socialism has never worked and it never will.
Holds the U.S. back from what?
Being the world leader in technology and innovation? Having the lowest unemployment rates in the industrialized world?
Besides the Airbus 380, which no one is buying, what has Europe given the world over the past thirty years that could be considered innovative? Where are the great Italian film makers?
How long do you think you can sustain abandoning work for two months out of the year?
The welfare state of Europe is destroying it's people. How can you be self reliant or self starting when the government wipes your behind for you?
Socialism has never worked and it never will.
I am not going to argue/debate that much because you have TOO much patriotism for this country. I love this country but I don't always view things as great.
It is very small of you to think that only hollywood has great film makers. And if you were to ask people around the two continents the only reason you'd get american films is because of the monopoly the US has.
You are thinking too much about Europe as being a socialist country than for what is really is around the entire continent. And that is the government provides enough room for innovation and wealth creating and building. While at the same time not allowing too many of the people fall behind or lack what is viewed as basic necessities by the PEOPLE. Whereas here you'd find many people disagree with Section 8(welfare) because of the way it is abused by the people. And does the government care what its people say? No.
Another example of the government being too big here. Is that in places like Sweden the mother can have the child and not worry about being left poor because her husband/bf has left her. The government provides to minimize suffering and I think that has to be the greatest thing a government can do. And that isn't socialism that is called being a government for the people.
I doubt any of this will get to you. But alas that is life
what has Europe given the world over the past thirty years that could be considered innovative?
TGV, smart card, www, optical fiber, stereolithographie, personal computer,etc.
What do you believe ? the americans have invented everything ? What you use everyday are european inventions for the most part : television, cinema, phone, etc.
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Where are the great Italian film makers?
they exist, but you don't know them, and frankly, you don't want to know them, you american have a real problem with that, you are interested by what you do, and almost only for what you do. So, the result is a lack of skills (european innovations, itailian film maker) and you believe you are the only one on earth to have got technology, film makers, etc....
In one word, you are the best as long as someone prove you are not... It's quiete weird. It's like the last topic about that : Why Us is better than the rest of the wolrd. Could you just imagine the same topic, with UK, China, Germany, France, Spain, Italia ???? It doesn't make sens, but what it is worse, is when we explain why the rest of the world think you are not the best ! then it's because we are fool, we don't know what we are talking about, etc... BUT all your remarks prove you are the one who don't know what you are talking about.
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How long do you think you can sustain abandoning work for two months out of the year?
France and germany do it for decades now (in France since 1981) and they can sustain well. Actually, when you are looking at GDP per capita, France and Germany are not very far from US (Maybe next year they will be higher).
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The welfare state of Europe is destroying it's people. How can you be self reliant or self starting when the government wipes your behind for you?
Very strange question, Socialism appears in Europe after the WWII , as you can see, it is not happened today. I guess if Europe has been able to survive, it will continue...
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Socialism has never worked and it never will.
Actually, Socialism works and everything tends to prove it.
they exist, but you don't know them, and frankly, you don't want to know them, you american have a real problem with that, you are interested by what you do, and almost only for what you do. So, the result is a lack of skills (european innovations, itailian film maker) and you believe you are the only one on earth to have got technology, film makers, etc....
We don't think we're the only ones, we just realize there's nobody else who can possibly compare to us.
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In one word, you are the best as long as someone prove you are not... It's quiete weird. It's like the last topic about that : Why Us is better than the rest of the wolrd. Could you just imagine the same topic, with UK, China, Germany, France, Spain, Italia ???? It doesn't make sens, but what it is worse, is when we explain why the rest of the world think you are not the best ! then it's because we are fool, we don't know what we are talking about, etc... BUT all your remarks prove you are the one who don't know what you are talking about.
You try to explain we are not the best because you always have to try to convince so many people. You jealousy shows every time you come up with your stupid facts based on liberal media. I've tried debating Europeans before, they don't like using facts, well actually I take that back - they consider Michael More fact.. and yes, it happened twice from two different people
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Very strange question, Socialism appears in Europe after the WWII , as you can see, it is not happened today. I guess if Europe has been able to survive, it will continue...
Actually, Socialism works and everything tends to prove it.
What kind of joke is this? There are no instances of when socialism has worked and made a nation thrive! Let's take a look at the close past.. Russia, for some reason I recall the western side of Europe to be doing quite a bit better. I didn't see people risking their lives to feel to East Europe
Socialism will not work in the modern world with the global economy. If you are trying to talk on history, then you couldn't be more wrong.
We don't think we're the only ones, we just realize there's nobody else who can possibly compare to us.
you make a point !
EU cannot compare with you, China cannot compare with you! and of course in any fields. How arrogant you have to be....
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You try to explain we are not the best because you always have to try to convince so many people. You jealousy shows every time you come up with your stupid facts based on liberal media.
of course ! I was about to forget the liberal medias ! I used the US state stats, and wikipedia !
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I've tried debating Europeans before, they don't like using facts,
With you ! I think I can understand why ! The most of the time, as soon as a conservative or a republican try to debate he wants to have right, and as soon as some proofs are there, they are from LIBERAL MEDIAS ! You are a joke my pal.
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well actually I take that back - they consider Michael More fact.. and yes, it happened twice from two different people
TWICE ! OMG ! you have a very good idea of the POV of the 450 millions of europeans !
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What kind of joke is this? There are no instances of when socialism has worked and made a nation thrive!
As I said, socialism has ruled europe for more than 5 decades now, and among these socialist states you can find the most prosperous nations in the world.
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Let's take a look at the close past.. Russia, for some reason I recall the western side of Europe to be doing quite a bit better. I didn't see people risking their lives to feel to East Europe
But Russia was a communist state. Now, I just wonder what kind of defintion you have about socialism.
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Socialism will not work in the modern world with the global economy. If you are trying to talk on history, then you couldn't be more wrong.
you are certainly what US can provide as one of the best exemple of brainwashed !
Your claims don't change anything, you can even repeat what you say here as much as you want, frankly who cares ? Are you able to bring facts or not ? for the moment it's just hot air.
you make a point !
EU cannot compare with you, China cannot compare with you! and of course in any fields. How arrogant you have to be....
Right now , the world depends on the USA, it is obvious. I'm not saying China won't be the next superpower, hell I'm learning Chinese in expectation of it. But as of now, there is not a more influential country in this world. Think what you want, not my problem.
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of course ! I was about to forget the liberal medias ! I used the US state stats, and wikipedia !
What stats do you use to prove that US is inferior?
Please don't come back to me with the worth of the Euro over the dollar either, save your breath.
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With you ! I think I can understand why ! The most of the time, as soon as a conservative or a republican try to debate he wants to have right, and as soon as some proofs are there, they are from LIBERAL MEDIAS ! You are a joke my pal.
Why do I call it the liberal media? Maybe because the information that is presented isn't fact, simply uninformed opinion that is put on TV and made worldwide because for some reason it is the new fad to bash the USA.
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TWICE ! OMG ! you have a very good idea of the POV of the 450 millions of europeans !
I'm not saying it is the views of all europeans, hell I've talked to some quite well informed Europeans. But I bet there are a lot more people that think Michael Moore is exposing truth and not selling entertainment than you think...
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As I said, socialism has ruled europe for more than 5 decades now, and among these socialist states you can find the most prosperous nations in the world.
Socialism has not ruled Europe for 5 decades, yes it has socialistic views and programs, but it is NOT socialism, just as US is not COMPLETELY capitalistic. We have programs here that can also be classified as socialism...
Europe competes on the Global Market... Europe is not socialism.
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But Russia was a communist state. Now, I just wonder what kind of defintion you have about socialism.
Eastern Europe always had socialist influence in their parties.
(SPD) in the 1st Reich of East Germany.... we all see where that got Germany......
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you are certainly what US can provide as one of the best exemple of brainwashed !
Brainwashed? No, I just realize that I get a better standard of living here in the US than I could in any other country.
[qutoe]Your claims don't change anything, you can even repeat what you say here as much as you want, frankly who cares ? Are you able to bring facts or not ? for the moment it's just hot air.[/quote]
I'll bring facts all you want, go ahead an argue with your sarcasm.
Please don't come back to me with the worth of the Euro over the dollar either, save your breath.
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they exist, but you don't know them, and frankly, you don't want to know them, you american have a real problem with that, you are interested by what you do, and almost only for what you do. So, the result is a lack of skills (european innovations, itailian film maker) and you believe you are the only one on earth to have got technology, film makers, etc.... 
I think I can understand why ! The most of the time, as soon as a conservative or a republican try to debate he wants to have right, and as soon as some proofs are there, they are from LIBERAL MEDIAS ! You are a joke my pal.
