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Old 08-04-2009, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Im not trying to paint it in any way, I have seen the recent murders of foreigners on the news myself. Your only defense is that, that guy is a jew or has jewish connections.
No, that guy is painting it much worse than it is in order to keep getting millions from EU grant and pat from certain cliques.

I have seen murders of foreigners here in US TV too, so?
Moscow homicide rate 9.6 persons per 100k people, New York 6 persons per 100k, Detroit 37.5 per 100k people. Seems quite in line with poverty etc.

 
Old 08-04-2009, 12:37 PM
 
Location: US Empire, Pac NW
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No, that guy is painting it much worse than it is in order to keep getting millions from EU grant and pat from certain cliques.

I have seen murders of foreigners here in US TV too, so?
Moscow homicide rate 9.6 persons per 100k people, New York 6 persons per 100k, Detroit 37.5 per 100k people. Seems quite in line with poverty etc.
It probably is in line with poverty to an extent. You're forgetting though that Russia does not have a disproportionate number of wealthy foreigners. Most of them are Russian.

All I know is, at my workplace, there are many Russians working here as part of a cultural exchange program between the office here and the company office in Moscow. A couple are far-East Asian and Russian by nationality. They have both said, independently, that there are a few days during the year, well marked, that they simply do not go to work for fear of intimidation, getting jumped, or worse.

The European Russians all confirm this. One even blatantly says "yes, we should do something like that here in the USA too! There are too many 'gooks' as you Americans used to call them here."

The fact that only one Russian I work with didn't like that fact was telling.
 
Old 08-04-2009, 12:43 PM
 
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It probably is in line with poverty to an extent. You're forgetting though that Russia does not have a disproportionate number of wealthy foreigners. Most of them are Russian.

All I know is, at my workplace, there are many Russians working here as part of a cultural exchange program between the office here and the company office in Moscow. A couple are far-East Asian and Russian by nationality. They have both said, independently, that there are a few days during the year, well marked, that they simply do not go to work for fear of intimidation, getting jumped, or worse.

The European Russians all confirm this. One even blatantly says "yes, we should do something like that here in the USA too! There are too many 'gooks' as you Americans used to call them here."

The fact that only one Russian I work with didn't like that fact was telling.
I met someone from Russia when I started college. I mentioned it to him about the attacks against persons of African and Asian descent. He not only confirmed it, but he said for that reason he doesn't live there. He also mentioned that he was Jewish and would be subject to attack as well. According to this person, he said Russia was pretty much a lawless place. I also mentioned the situation to someone from Romania. He blamed the demise of the Soviet Union for the rise in racial tensions. According to him, it would not have happened under the Soviet system.
 
Old 08-04-2009, 12:50 PM
 
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He blamed the demise of the Soviet Union for the rise in racial tensions. According to him, it would not have happened under the Soviet system.
There's alot of things that "didn't happen" when it was still the Soviet Union.
 
Old 08-04-2009, 01:00 PM
 
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There's alot of things that "didn't happen" when it was still the Soviet Union.
Alot is left to the imagination when it comes to the Soviet days. I frequently read National Geographic and the stuff I hear about Russia from the 1970's differs markedly from what I read about in the 1990's. What I hear about in the 1990's editions is rather grim and scary. It is like there was something to hide. I never heard about pollution in the National Geographics from the 1970's regardingthe Soviet Union. February 1990, there is a segment done on the Aral Sea and the environmental damage done to it from years of neglect. Later editions from the 1990's tell of the pollution stemming from earlier times and how bad things really were in other facets of life.
On the other hand, there is an old radio archive from NPR about skinheads in Russia:http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/arch...80506.atc.html. It is the fourth one as you scroll down if you decide to listen to it.

One of the persons who spoke was an African professor who went to the Soviet Union for school. He said that during the Soviet times, he didn't have problems. He said that after the Soviet Union fell apart, the skinhead attacks started and things kept getting worse, not to mention the police wouldn't do much about it.
 
Old 08-04-2009, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Ye, silly Russia. Good I am save in the city I moved recently, let's open a newspaper from today... oh wait a second

Hate-crime charges in ice cream truck attack | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
 
Old 08-04-2009, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Houston
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It probably is in line with poverty to an extent. You're forgetting though that Russia does not have a disproportionate number of wealthy foreigners. Most of them are Russian.

All I know is, at my workplace, there are many Russians working here as part of a cultural exchange program between the office here and the company office in Moscow. A couple are far-East Asian and Russian by nationality. They have both said, independently, that there are a few days during the year, well marked, that they simply do not go to work for fear of intimidation, getting jumped, or worse.

The European Russians all confirm this. One even blatantly says "yes, we should do something like that here in the USA too! There are too many 'gooks' as you Americans used to call them here."

The fact that only one Russian I work with didn't like that fact was telling.
What he is mentioning is maybe a VDV days... something like "special forces day". People from army special forces get drunk at that day and go outside and beat random people... very barbarian, I agree.

I don't think the color has much to do with it, you will get beaten sometimes even if you are scandinavian.

Again, skinheads are there, racism is there. But it's in line with poverty level of the nation, the young democracy and transformation to capitalism.
It's not supported by common russians and its not supported by politicians. Have you seen extremist party in russian parlament? How much % they have? 0.5%?

You have five time bigger chance to be a victim of a homicide in Detroit or Baltimore then in Moscow.
 
Old 08-04-2009, 02:09 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I think that people are making this out as a bigger issue than it really is. You'll find racist ass hats everywhere and there are many in the states. If you were looking forward to visiting parts of Russia I say do it, be careful with your surroundings (as you should be doing anyway in a place where you are unfamiliar) and surround yourself with people.
 
Old 08-04-2009, 10:48 PM
 
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OP is right, Russia is hell if you are a foreigner. My friend, who is black, went to Moscow for a semester for school and has told me things on here that are unbelievable.
 
Old 08-05-2009, 02:45 AM
 
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The Soviet Union probably kept alot of this BS under the cover. And as for the NG articles and such, dare I say alot of the media/academia in the western world has long been of a left-wing bent.

Not to be mean, but I can't see the appeal of wanting to go to Russia anyhow, it's teetering into becoming a third world country...
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