Vegetarian bodybuilding! (muscle, meat, program, training)

[joeychestnut]

Is it truly possible with only skim milk and eggs as the only sources of animal proteins? Bill Pearl legendary bodybuilder is said type of vegetarian, but only afetr building his foundation on eating meats for years, and he didnt turn it until he was 39.

[pitt_transplant]

Yes. You only need "complete proteins" as part of your food intake + training (of course).Milk and eggs have that. You can be vegan and do the same but its harder.

[jimboburnsy]

You will sometimes see vegans/vegetarians mixing foods that don't seem to make a lot of sense, culinarily speaking, like pasta, soybeans and peanuts. You can assemble complete proteins by mixing and varying the vegetable proteins that you ingest, but you also have to eat enormous volumes of food to get the calories required to build mass; otherwise you wind up looking like a saggy hippie with bags under your eyes. To answer your question, you can certainly do it but you will have to work four times as hard and will not get exactly the same results that you would on a more biologically appropriate diet.

[pitt_transplant]

Why does mixing a dead cow's butt in your pasta make more sense than a few beans?
I mean really..if you look at it like that its not so crazy.

You replace your meat with rice and lentils.

Good article on it:
Vegetarian Diet Plan For Bodybuilding | LIVESTRONG.COM

"Vegetarian bodybuilders usually follow the same six mini-meal protocol as carnivorous bodybuilders, which includes eating a small meal every few hours to ensure a constant flow of nutrition and adequate daily calorie intake. Each meal contains some carbohydrates, fats and between 20 g. and 30 g. of protein. Combining incomplete proteins, like beans and rice or lentils and millet, helps vegetarian bodybuilders obtain all the essential amino acids they need to support muscle growth."

[jimboburnsy]

Originally Posted by pitt_transplant

Why does mixing a dead cow's butt in your pasta make more sense than a few beans?
I mean really..if you look at it like that its not so crazy.

You replace your meat with rice and lentils.

Good article on it:
Vegetarian Diet Plan For Bodybuilding | LIVESTRONG.COM

"Vegetarian bodybuilders usually follow the same six mini-meal protocol as carnivorous bodybuilders, which includes eating a small meal every few hours to ensure a constant flow of nutrition and adequate daily calorie intake. Each meal contains some carbohydrates, fats and between 20 g. and 30 g. of protein. Combining incomplete proteins, like beans and rice or lentils and millet, helps vegetarian bodybuilders obtain all the essential amino acids they need to support muscle growth."

The point, of course, being that tomato, basil, cow butt and wheat pasta is a combination of flavors that can intuitively be recognized as one that works. Peanuts, soybeans and wheat pasta may very well work, culinarily speaking, but it is a combination that doesn't "seem to make sense" to the un-initiated.

Other than that, you basically re-stated everything I said and provided a link supporting it.

[pitt_transplant]

Yeh. I know what you were saying. I just never got why it was so crazy to anyone to not have meat in the meal. I mean..most of a normal meal does not have meat anyway. If its balanced its not really the major part of the meal.

[jimboburnsy]

Originally Posted by pitt_transplant

Yeh. I know what you were saying. I just never got why it was so crazy to anyone to not have meat in the meal. I mean..most of a normal meal does not have meat anyway. If its balanced its not really the major part of the meal.

It's not crazy. Everyone should do it more often.

I don't personally espouse the abandonment of meat in the diet, but a meal without meat can be every bit as satisfying.

[RedSoxFanGoingWest]

Brendan Brazier wrote a couple of books on vegan nutrition and fitness. He is an Ironman Triathlete. As a recently converted vegetarian (and part-time vegan - still haven't taken the full plunge), they were very informative.

The books are:
Thrive: The Vegan Nutrition Guide to Optimal Performance in Sports and Life
Thrive Fitness: The Vegan-Based Training Program for Maximum Strength, Health & Fitness

[sportsgeek20]

Personally I find building mass to be challenging enough without going veggie

[OngletNYC]

I've never met a vegan who didn't rely on consuming industrial waste for protein. (That's virtually all non-traditional soy products, that meat substitute garbage.) Sorry but consuming hexane isn't worth it when I can just eat 4 0z of nice, healthy, well-raised chicken.