Help? Female trying to lose weight fast (avoid, hand, extreme)

[datacity12]

Originally Posted by hooligan

I'm saying that offering up: "You don't need to reduce sodium if you're already eating lean protein, leafy greens and low/no carbs." doesn't help the OP much if she's NOT eating that way.

Low/no carbs is not the only effective way to lose weight. So, given that the OP is NOT eating a low/no carb diet and IS taking medicine for her high blood pressure, saying "don't worry about the salt" isn't much help to her. Right?

Wow, I'm not sure how you could be misinterpreting what I'm saying - unless you're just trying to give me the business because you disagree with my pushing low-carbing! (I didn't say anything about leafy greens, actually, but I guess that's beside the point.) So what I was saying was clear, I think:

1. If the OP wants to lose weight, she should eat lots of unprocessed protein and fat and very little carbs.
2. If you're eating this way, you don't really need to be concerned about sodium, because you won't be consuming tons of it anyway.

The OP knows that she can take my advice or leave it. But knowing what I've learned over the years, and the mistakes I've made, it's difficult to sit back and watch people giving her advice that I used to get, and what I later found out was just dead wrong. There are so many valuable scientific studies out there now about obesity and heart disease, and they all point to carbs being bad and fat being good, so it's really distressing to keep seeing her admonished for stuff like having too much fat in her diet.

Just sayin'!

[Three Wolves In Snow]

I really wish people here would quit slamming on the OP. Yes, she made tons of excuses for many suggestions and advice. But she's listening and working on it.

Please remember, this is an 18 year old girl who lives at home. She's young. VERY young. Yes, she has a lot to learn...isn't that why she's here? Obviously she's willing to learn...yes, it took her a bit to start coming around but she's TRYING, give her that.

I'm quite impressed that the OP is putting up her meals for the day for everyone to see knowing full well that some people are going to make snide comments about it. I'm sure that isn't easy for her to do but putting it up there is good for her. She can see, in writing, what she's doing and once you start putting things in writing, to SEE it, you really start to learn.

And then we have the poster, RD5050, who is breaking it all down for her which, wow! I'm pretty dang impressed and frankly, am learning a bit, myself. THAT is the kind of support this person needs.

Instead of telling her, "You need to shop for this, that and the other", remember, she doesn't do the shopping. She has to work with what her parents are buying. It doesn't sound to me like her parents care much about a healthier lifestyle, but she does...so she's working with what she has.

Will she be perfect, right out of the gate? OF COURSE NOT! She is learning. She will do better as time goes on. She already cut her calories from over 2700 to around 1600 in ONE day just by the incredibly kind help from RD5050. THAT is what this poster needs, not some opinionated person to come on here and say, "OMG! I can't believe you're eating that! Haven't you heard of, (insert food item here)?!?!"

She's learning, she's listening, she's doing it. Give her some damn credit.

[AnonChick]

Yes she gets credit for discovering City Data, of all possible places to discover, and creating a thread here and opening herself up to criticism, etc. etc.

What kind of criticism do you think she's getting when she goes out to McDonalds and consumes her McDouble? She is here, ASKING for comments from strangers.

If I saw her in public, I wouldn't tell her those comments. She'd never know. Most people would keep their opinions and advice to themselves, and she would continue on in her ignorance, not having any idea at all that people just don't -think- the way she does about food.

How about, give US some credit, for not reverting to insults by criticizing her, and instead, criticizing her choices. She -is- ignorant, and by ignorant, I mean "not having knowledge of." She has no knowledge of nutritional health. She is ignorant of nutritional health. That's what the word ignorant means: to lack knowledge of something. It's not a slight against her, it's a fact. If it wasn't true, she wouldn't be here asking advice about some of the most basic nutritional information that most people know.

Her parents really did a number on her, and I feel badly that they did. But she IS 18 now. She IS an adult, she DOES have the right to make decisions for herself. She CAN get out and get a job, and her mother can't forbid it. She CAN buy her own food, with the money she makes from her own job, and there's nothing her mother can do to stop her.

But before she does any of that, she needs to learn what it means to eat a nutritionally healthy meal. And she just isn't there yet.

[yayoi]

Originally Posted by AnonChick

Yes she gets credit for discovering City Data, of all possible places to discover, and creating a thread here and opening herself up to criticism, etc. etc.

What kind of criticism do you think she's getting when she goes out to McDonalds and consumes her McDouble? She is here, ASKING for comments from strangers.

If I saw her in public, I wouldn't tell her those comments. She'd never know. Most people would keep their opinions and advice to themselves, and she would continue on in her ignorance, not having any idea at all that people just don't -think- the way she does about food.

How about, give US some credit, for not reverting to insults by criticizing her, and instead, criticizing her choices. She -is- ignorant, and by ignorant, I mean "not having knowledge of." She has no knowledge of nutritional health. She is ignorant of nutritional health. That's what the word ignorant means: to lack knowledge of something. It's not a slight against her, it's a fact. If it wasn't true, she wouldn't be here asking advice about some of the most basic nutritional information that most people know.

Her parents really did a number on her, and I feel badly that they did. But she IS 18 now. She IS an adult, she DOES have the right to make decisions for herself. She CAN get out and get a job, and her mother can't forbid it. She CAN buy her own food, with the money she makes from her own job, and there's nothing her mother can do to stop her.

But before she does any of that, she needs to learn what it means to eat a nutritionally healthy meal. And she just isn't there yet.

Well do you really expect her to change a lifetime of bad eating habits in just a week? Don't get upset at the OP because she's not making progress within your time frame.

[hooligan]

Originally Posted by datacity12

Wow, I'm not sure how you could be misinterpreting what I'm saying - unless you're just trying to give me the business because you disagree with my pushing low-carbing!...

I have zero problems with low-carb dietary plans.

I didn't misinterpret what you said, I was simply alarmed by you coming into a thread started by someone who obviously doesn't know much about nutrition, is 100+ lbs overweight and on high blood pressure meds at 18 yrs old and saying that she doesn't need to worry about her sodium intake. I worry that the OP would take that information and run with it, disregarding the fact that you said it was based on already eating a sensible diet - which she clearly was not doing.

Back to the discussion at hand.

OP - you say money is tight, but you put Nestle Quick on your cereal? I'm 100% certain that normal milk is cheaper than the stuff with the bunny on the carton, no?

[AnonChick]

Originally Posted by yayoi

Well do you really expect her to change a lifetime of bad eating habits in just a week? Don't get upset at the OP because she's not making progress within your time frame.

Uh, what time frame? Nowhere did I give any time frame. The OP wants to lose lots of weight fast. I'm telling her, that even attempting to lose the kind of weight she wants to lose, "fast," is going to be either undoable, or unhealthy. I'm giving her advice about how to GETE HEALTHY, because right now, she is not, and trying to lose weight "fast" will deteriorate her health further instead of improving it.

I'm not upset about any time frame. Where are you seeing that in any of my posts? Perhaps you are responding to the wrong post, I never brought up any time frames at all.

It doesn't take a week to check nutritional guides and realize that you've been spending most of your life doing something wrong. It takes a few minutes, AND it takes someone to point it out to you. Which is something people have done, for the past 34 pages of this thread, over the past week.

[yayoi]

Originally Posted by AnonChick

Uh, what time frame? Nowhere did I give any time frame. The OP wants to lose lots of weight fast. I'm telling her, that even attempting to lose the kind of weight she wants to lose, "fast," is going to be either undoable, or unhealthy. I'm giving her advice about how to GETE HEALTHY, because right now, she is not, and trying to lose weight "fast" will deteriorate her health further instead of improving it.

I'm not upset about any time frame. Where are you seeing that in any of my posts? Perhaps you are responding to the wrong post, I never brought up any time frames at all.

It doesn't take a week to check nutritional guides and realize that you've been spending most of your life doing something wrong. It takes a few minutes, AND it takes someone to point it out to you. Which is something people have done, for the past 34 pages of this thread, over the past week.

You didn't mention a time frame but there is a great sense of urgency in your posts. It seems like you want the OP to get her diet on target, RIGHT NOW!

My point is that progress sometimes takes time. You harp on about the OP eating a McDouble but you downplay the fact that she cut out a significant amount of calories.

[CaptainNJ]

Originally Posted by yayoi

You didn't mention a time frame but there is a great sense of urgency in your posts. It seems like you want the OP to get her diet on target, RIGHT NOW!

well, in her defense the OP did say she wants to lose the weight fast (its the title of this thread).

but i think people obsess too much about "nutrition" that really isnt as significant as people want to believe. calories are nutrition. that includes protein carbs and fats. thats what you live off of. veggies are tasty, but far below calories when it comes to real nutrition. so the mcdouble isnt really so horrible as 390 calories isnt very excessive. we can take the OP's diet and teak it to remove the excess calories and replace them with better foods, but no need to go crazy or pretend that without vegetables you arent getting nutrition. you live on calories.

[yayoi]

Originally Posted by CaptainNJ

well, in her defense the OP did say she wants to lose the weight fast (its the title of this thread).

but i think people obsess too much about "nutrition" that really isnt as significant as people want to believe. calories are nutrition. that includes protein carbs and fats. thats what you live off of. veggies are tasty, but far below calories when it comes to real nutrition. so the mcdouble isnt really so horrible as 390 calories isnt very excessive. we can take the OP's diet and teak it to remove the excess calories and replace them with better foods, but no need to go crazy or pretend that without vegetables you arent getting nutrition. you live on calories.

True, but if the OP continues cutting out calories like she just did, she will lose weight fairly quickly. Sure she could have made some better choices but her diet has improved. The issue I have is that some people expect her to change all of her bad habits immediately.

I don't see a problem as long as there's steady improvement.

[AnonChick]

Originally Posted by CaptainNJ

well, in her defense the OP did say she wants to lose the weight fast (its the title of this thread).

but i think people obsess too much about "nutrition" that really isnt as significant as people want to believe. calories are nutrition. that includes protein carbs and fats. thats what you live off of. veggies are tasty, but far below calories when it comes to real nutrition. so the mcdouble isnt really so horrible as 390 calories isnt very excessive. we can take the OP's diet and teak it to remove the excess calories and replace them with better foods, but no need to go crazy or pretend that without vegetables you arent getting nutrition. you live on calories.

Part of you lives on calories. Part of you lives on all kinds of other things. You can eat exactly the right number of calories, if you get IV sugar water injected into your veins. And yet, if the oxygen mask isn't turned on, you will die. You will die, getting exactly the perfect, monitored, measured number of calories.

Same goes for vitamins and minerals. If you exclude any of the things that your body requires to function efficiently, it will cease to function efficiently. And that is regardless of how many, or few, calories you ingest. There is no point in going on a low-calorie diet, if those few calories you're consuming, have no nutritional value OTHER than the fact that they're calories. Because, you will get sick and die, having starved yourself into a severe case of malnutrition.