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Old 11-26-2012, 06:00 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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For you, not for everyone. Weight training won't help you in completing a marathon and if that's your goal, then weight training will not assist anyone in achieving that goal.

Yes, but the OP said he wanted broader shoulders, bigger biceps and a flatter stomach. That equal more resistance than cardio. No?
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:06 PM
 
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You'll gain/lose fat infinitely faster than you'll gain/lose muscle. Even on steroids you can only build muscle so fast.
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:09 PM
 
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You should flip it around; weight training trumps cardio every time

Lift Big, Get Skinny

Eat, Lift, and be Happy.: Cardio Sucks (and How I Stay Lean Without Doing it)
I've never seen a thin powerlifter. A lean powerlifter. Just big, bulky, and strong. Cardio and Weight Training are equally valid and necessary.

That article is basically describing spot training, which doesn't exist. Steroids aside, I look at what professional bodybuilders do. They ALL, do cardio. Either to create a calorie deficit, or to use whatever fat they may have at that point as energy, because that's what it is, and is why it's used.
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:23 PM
 
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I've never seen a thin powerlifter. A lean powerlifter...
You need to get out more then, have you ever even been to a meet?
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:24 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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I've never seen a thin powerlifter. A lean powerlifter. Just big, bulky, and strong. Cardio and Weight Training are equally valid and necessary.

That article is basically describing spot training, which doesn't exist. Steroids aside, I look at what professional bodybuilders do. They ALL, do cardio. Either to create a calorie deficit, or to use whatever fat they may have at that point as energy, because that's what it is, and is why it's used.

Nope, but I've seen plenty of lean Olympic lifters and their only concern is strength within their weight class. I'm willing to bet you dollars to donuts that they do VERY little cardio.

Diet is absolutely key when trying to get or stay lean. With regards to body fat - you can out-diet a bad exercise plan, you can't out-exercise a bad dietary plan.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico
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I've never seen a thin powerlifter. A lean powerlifter. Just big, bulky, and strong. Cardio and Weight Training are equally valid and necessary.

That article is basically describing spot training, which doesn't exist. Steroids aside, I look at what professional bodybuilders do. They ALL, do cardio. Either to create a calorie deficit, or to use whatever fat they may have at that point as energy, because that's what it is, and is why it's used.
That's funny.


Richard Hawthorne deadlifts 600x2 at 2011 Olympia Animal Cage - YouTube
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Neither one of my articles say anything about spot reducing and did you even read the one about "cardio suck" with the girl with ripped abs that does 10 minutes of intense cardio in addition to her weight training?

Anyways, never said to eliminate cardio, but to flip around the workout schedule. Weight training focus with short, intense cardio will burn fat and build muscle like no other.

Lastly, this guy:


Just lifts really big things up and puts them down. No cardio. But he doesn't eat crap food either.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:21 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Default Exercise is the lesser of the physical fitness program

For those that want to lose weight, not necessarily enter an Iron Man contest, getting fit is about 80% diet control for the first year. The exercise will burn a few extra calories, but it will also increase your appetite a great deal.

I'm speaking from experience. Lots of powerlifting plus 40 minutes on the bike and I initially lost 30 pounds (need to lose 70 more). But I continued my high carb diet. I feel much better than I used to, but one trainer told me to do a lot more push-aways ( as from the table) and that that exercise would better suit me and help me than cardio/weight training right now. I'm discovering I have the mental discipline to do the exercise routine (picture buckets of perspiration day in and day out), but my appetite discipline is the gorilla in the china shop of my head. I'm convinced it's a battle that I must win if I'm to have even a modicum of physical health in my latter years.

But I never met a second helping of ribs or mashed potatoes I could walk away from!!!!
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Old 11-27-2012, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Central Mass
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Actually weight training is very important for endurance training. More muscle strength means you use less energy when pushing off the ground, meaning you have more energy for the entire race. Cross training is also very important for runners because it helps prevents common overuse injuries such as pulled hamstrings, patella pain, IT band pain, etc. The best way for endurance runners to bring down their times is increasing their squat and deadlift

About Crossfit Endurance

Exercises To Increase Running Speed | LIVESTRONG.COM
Totally wrong.

The best way for endurance runners to bring down their times is to run more. Weight and muscle mass is the enemy. The muscles you want strong are the exact ones that are exercised by running.

All the injuries you list are related to poor form and won't be prevented by cross training, only in the fact that cross training lessens the MPW.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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My advice for doing cardio is to do it shortly after you wake up. Don't eat anything, if you do your body will just burn that.
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