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Old 08-18-2014, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Mammoth Lakes, CA
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And trans fats should be TOTALLY avoided at all costs.
Don't speak for anyone else. They might be bad for you. To presume to tell anyone else what to eat is sheer hubris. Eating is a personal choice and a highly individual one. What do we marathoners gouge on after a race? Generally ice cream and beer. Don't tell me we're not healthy because we crave trans fats. Sheesh.
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Old 08-18-2014, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Castlederp
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I never bother about fats.. just calories in/vs calories out
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Old 08-19-2014, 04:00 PM
 
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It's not just about calories, its about empty calories. A sandwich is way too vague. Grilled cheese compared to a turkey sandwich filled with veggies and whatnot is very different.

Fasting will just make you skinny fat. Skinny in a shirt, disgusting without. If you want to get firm, tight, and feel better, exercising is really the only way.
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Old 08-19-2014, 05:51 PM
 
Location: New Yawk
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I'm not sure how accurate it is, but I've read in the past that IF can throw a woman's hormones out of whack and either stall weight loss (even if you eat the same amount of calories after the fast) or lead to weight gain. For myself, I fell into IF by accident (it wasn't intentional, I simply wasn't hungry from dinner the night before until noon-ish the next day. Some days I barely consumed 1000 calories/day (not intentional, just not hungry) for weeks at a time... the scale didn't budge, but I noticed that my clothes just weren't fitting right.
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Old 08-20-2014, 04:01 PM
 
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A sandwich has about 500 calories. Power walking for an hour burns about 500 calories.

Let's assume those numbers are correct.

Why should I choose to exercise for an entire hour rather than just skip the sandwich?

I do not understand the economics of exercise.
You have just stumbled on the fundamental truth of weight management. Exercise should be done for it's own freestanding health benefits and for provoking muscle growth, not as a means of creating a caloric deficit.
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Old 08-20-2014, 04:03 PM
 
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I'm not sure how accurate it is, but I've read in the past that IF can throw a woman's hormones out of whack and either stall weight loss (even if you eat the same amount of calories after the fast) or lead to weight gain. For myself, I fell into IF by accident (it wasn't intentional, I simply wasn't hungry from dinner the night before until noon-ish the next day. Some days I barely consumed 1000 calories/day (not intentional, just not hungry) for weeks at a time... the scale didn't budge, but I noticed that my clothes just weren't fitting right.
That isn't IF, fasting has nothing to do with what you eat.
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Old 08-21-2014, 11:35 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I think juice fasting periodically is good for spiritual reasons. It can be a time to reset your taste buds, rid your body of undigested food and waste, and increase your general sense of well-being. I never use it as a weight-loss method.

Exercising should be a key component of your daily routine because of the enormous benefits it provides.
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Old 08-21-2014, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Castlederp
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It's not just about calories, its about empty calories. A sandwich is way too vague. Grilled cheese compared to a turkey sandwich filled with veggies and whatnot is very different.

Fasting will just make you skinny fat. Skinny in a shirt, disgusting without. If you want to get firm, tight, and feel better, exercising is really the only way.
This!
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Old 08-21-2014, 04:57 PM
 
Location: New Yawk
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No, I mean the fasting itself. I only mentioned the food to clarify that I didn't break fast with a binge.
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That isn't IF, fasting has nothing to do with what you eat.
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Old 08-22-2014, 11:19 AM
 
Location: The High Desert of the American Southwest
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There is so much nonsense in this post I don't even know where to begin.

How about reading the thread on Intermittent Fasting (for life extension) and getting some more modern ideas on eating. Who decided that we are supposed to have three - no more, no less - meals a day?
And it has NOT been shown, much less PROVEN that "skipping" breakfast is detrimental ..or leads to weight gain?... or that low fat diets "work" to do anything more than make you hungry real quick.

And to say that your body goes into "starvation mode" after 10 hours w/out food and then goes into some absurd "fat-storing-frenzy" the next time you eat is laughable at best, and outright fantasy at worst.
I along with many others, do IF on a 2-day /week regime and NEVER have I experienced over-indulging at my next meal. In fact I found my appetite to be robust, but satiated easily.

But we athletes know what works and what does NOT and I've never met one who doesn't agree that skipping meals is detrimental and either leads to over-eating for the next meal, or they DID notice a body fat increase after a prolonged time of skipping breakfast. True: to classify this as "starvation mode" may be a bit exaggerated (I was attempting to put the physiological metabolistic process into laymens' terms)--BUT the body WILL "latch onto" MORE fat grams during a meal if it has been, say, 12 hours since the last meal rather than 4-5 hours. (I could explain this in detailed bio-chemistry terms if you like, but it would be a bit complex for this forum.)

And correct me if I am wrong but I will surmise you sir are NOT the athletic type.

Athletes DO NOT fast! Not if they are knowledgeable about nutrition!

When I used to do personal training I would see time and again slower results--or even negative ones--from my clients who skipped meals. Without exception.

( I checked my BF three days ago and it was at 12.5%. I can run 20 miles in under 3 hours in 90 degree heat. I am in my 40's. I don't skip meals!)

Again: das proof is in das pudding, amigo.
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