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Come on man, some guys even lift at 60 years old, no problem. As long as he has good form and goes easy on the weight, he will be fine. Stallone, who turned 70, still lifts
Here's a 70 year old that deadlifts more than nearly everyone in this thread - villageidiot might have him beat, not sure.
You're obviously a youngster. I'm 61 and have not lost any strength. I'm one of the strongest guys at my gym, but I have run into older guys who are much stronger than me. Consistency over decades is what is most important.
Yes you just confirmed what I was saying, there is no age for good strength training, as long as you do it properly. Thumbs up for your training consistency (but that doesn't mean you should roast Arnold schwarzenegger, maybe he has lost some shape but I'm sure he can still lift a ton )
Thanks for the dialog, guys. Good to know different perspectives. I will say that I've stopped using the hip adductor/abductor machine. I was lifting 210 but it just seemed like a pointless exercise after awhile :/ When I started doing the bodyweight kicking exercises for the hips, I got my ass kicked..so that's what I'm doing now.
Thanks for the dialog, guys. Good to know different perspectives. I will say that I've stopped using the hip adductor/abductor machine. I was lifting 210 but it just seemed like a pointless exercise after awhile :/ When I started doing the bodyweight kicking exercises for the hips, I got my ass kicked..so that's what I'm doing now.
I will occasionally do 1-2 sets on this machine at the end of my leg workout. I have had a nagging IT Band problem and it actually makes it feel better. I had been doing exercises at home recommended by a physical therapist where I attached bands to chairs, but this was time consuming.
The adductor/abductor machine takes a lot of criticism but if you look at it as a supplemental isolation exercise, it won't hurt. The reason this machine has received a lot of criticism is many women thought it would get rid of the fat and cellulite on their thighs and hips.
We will talk about it when you will turn 50 or even 45
I suggest you check the great Youtube channel called Athlean-X : the host (who is a physiotherapist) has dozens of vids to explain how to not snap some sh*t when you workout, based on his professional experience. So let's not underestimate the injury risk shall we.
I am in my 40's and I have been doing this stuff for nearly 30 years, including professionally, I do not need to consult a Youtube channel.
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I've used machines for years. Only when I haven't had access to a gym have I used free weights. I'm 61, never been injured lost 25 lbs and went from a size 14 to a size 8, all using the machines at the gym.
I hear people over and over again saying machines are worthless. However my results prove different and I would rather someone use the machines than not go to the gym at all.
I do not think I heard much claims about machines being worthless, just claims are not nearly efficient as a proper free weight program and prone to cause injuries in regards to strength training.
I am in my 40's and I have been doing this stuff for nearly 30 years, including professionally, I do not need to consult a Youtube channel.
With all due respect Boxus, having trained 30 years without injuries doesn't mean that the same applies for others. It's like saying "I drive for 30 years without seatbelt fasten and I have never encountered any problem, so seatbelts are useless".
I'm happy for your good record, but saying that people get too paranoid about safety sounds bad to me
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As for the safety thing: I have no idea why so many people are so paranoid over free weights and safety.
I will say that I've stopped using the hip adductor/abductor machine. I was lifting 210 but it just seemed like a pointless exercise after awhile :/ When I started doing the bodyweight kicking exercises for the hips, I got my ass kicked..so that's what I'm doing now.
I totally agree Riaelise : machines are more useful for the upper parts (like for example all the rowing motions, to train the lats and the back safely). But for the legs, bodyweight exercises are the best.
With all due respect Boxus, having trained 30 years without injuries doesn't mean that the same applies for others. It's like saying "I drive for 30 years without seatbelt fasten and I have never encountered any problem, so seatbelts are useless".
I'm happy for your good record, but saying that people get too paranoid about safety sounds bad to me
No, it does mean it applies to others, because it is knowledge, knowledge being passed on to others. Many people are afraid of free weights because they think the things will just fall on them, do not know the motion, etc. A machine is easy, it restricts your movement so you do not even need to know what to do, just press/pull and the machine will create the path for you. Free weights do not do this, you have to know the form in order to do the exercise.
The "I use machines to prevent injury" is ridiculous, and it is essentially saying a person does not want to learn form, nor go through the hassle of practice, to use free weights, so they will just make up some some excuse not to do it, which is where the injury thing comes in.
What does create injuries are machines. The restriction of the movement is detrimental to some parts of the body, like the knees and shoulder. Using the smith machine as an example; the bar path is straight up and down, however a bench press is not a straight up and down movement, so this adds pressure on the rotator, and eventually, one year, that nice, sharp pinch will hit. One small example of many.
I really do not care what people use, but the thread topic is "why people hate on machines:, and I answered as to why.
Can free weights injure someone? Of course, but often that is because of their negligence, whereas with the machine, it is because of how the machine is.
No, it does mean it applies to others, because it is knowledge, knowledge being passed on to others. Many people are afraid of free weights because they think the things will just fall on them, do not know the motion, etc. A machine is easy, it restricts your movement so you do not even need to know what to do, just press/pull and the machine will create the path for you. Free weights do not do this, you have to know the form in order to do the exercise.
The "I use machines to prevent injury" is ridiculous, and it is essentially saying a person does not want to learn form, nor go through the hassle of practice, to use free weights, so they will just make up some some excuse not to do it, which is where the injury thing comes in.
What does create injuries are machines. The restriction of the movement is detrimental to some parts of the body, like the knees and shoulder. Using the smith machine as an example; the bar path is straight up and down, however a bench press is not a straight up and down movement, so this adds pressure on the rotator, and eventually, one year, that nice, sharp pinch will hit. One small example of many.
I really do not care what people use, but the thread topic is "why people hate on machines:, and I answered as to why.
Can free weights injure someone? Of course, but often that is because of their negligence, whereas with the machine, it is because of how the machine is.
Well said..but that logic depends on how old we are.
If young people, maybe it is true.
But old people, machinea are better.
For example,
I got injury on my shoulder at bench press ( barbell).
So i stopped it and have done dumbbell and machine chest press.
Old photo. Look at Arnold today; he's looking pretty good. And he uses mostly weight machines for his training.
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I'm 61 and have not lost any strength. I'm one of the strongest guys at my gym, but I have run into older guys who are much stronger than me. Consistency over decades is what is most important.
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