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Old 10-30-2010, 08:30 PM
 
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-48 according to who? According to NOAA it was -39 unless I am blind.
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National Weather Service Eastern North Dakota
Grand Forks, North Dakota


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Old 10-30-2010, 09:31 PM
 
Location: E ND & NW MN
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Actually both of the above posters are right....welcome to the wonderful world of climate records and stations.

I work for the NWS office in Grand Forks. Climate stations move....but as long as the move is within a certain distance (I cant recall exactly how far) a new site can be grouped in with the old site. That is what is done for Fargo....as up until 1942 the official weather station was in Moorhead. After 1942....the weather station was relocated to the new airport in Fargo.

The entire history of the Fargo-Moorhead weather station and locations are found in this publication published by current and former employees of the NWS.

http://climate.umn.edu/pdf/fargo_climate.pdf

Because the distance the weather station moved in 1942 was not too far from the old one which was at the Moorhead Post Office, we are able to join the two locations and get a weather record history for the F-M area which dates back to 1881 when the US Signal Corp first started observations in Moorhead at Merchants State Bank on Jan 1, 1881.

So using the entire F-M weather records (which are used in our climate bulletins set out to the media) the coldest temp ever was -48 on Jan 8 1887.

Now, if using the weather records strictly from the Fargo airport which dates back to 1942....the coldest is indeed -39.

So...that is the story in a nutshell.

I do agree though that some folks tend to exaggerate the cold here. -40 is very rare.....-30 not so rare but doesnt occur every year in Fargo. We often do get a very cold stretch each winter...with 3-4 days with highs and lows below zero. But in most years it is followed by a warmup with some teens and 20s.

Another thing to note when comparing past winters... the wind chill is often brought up. The wind chill formula was changed around 2000. The net result is that it is a warmer scale than in the past. So....on the old scale used prior to 2001 -15 deg air temp and a 30 mph wind would give wind chill of -71F. Today those same conditions would yield -46F on the new chart.

Confused??
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Old 10-30-2010, 09:33 PM
 
Location: E ND & NW MN
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Hey EH....that is what is used for the official F-M records...see post I just did.
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Old 10-30-2010, 09:56 PM
 
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Thanks for the post DaninEGF. Personally, I will stick with NOAA's number since it was actually in Fargo and has been mentioned you can have variances over even short distances.

One question I have for you, as a professional... how accurate are weather readings from the 1800s? Just curious?
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Old 10-30-2010, 10:00 PM
 
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Dan, I lived in Pembina for 12 years. I sure don't miss the cold! In the SW now and love the weather here.
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Old 10-30-2010, 10:19 PM
 
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The Red Pepper is a good place to eat in Grand Forks. Loved by the locals.
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Old 10-30-2010, 10:37 PM
 
Location: E ND & NW MN
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Thanks for the post DaninEGF. Personally, I will stick with NOAA's number since it was actually in Fargo and has been mentioned you can have variances over even short distances.

One question I have for you, as a professional... how accurate are weather readings from the 1800s? Just curious?
Well....I think the instrumentation was pretty good back then. But issue was location of weather stations. For a time the official weather station was located on the roof of the Moorhead Post Office, which we know is not a good place for temperature measurement. It was at that time, the all time record high was recorded in 1936 at 114F. Real standardization of equipment and stations didnt go into affect until the 1940s and 50s.

Dan
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Old 11-04-2010, 08:20 AM
 
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Krotzmc is pretty windy, but I have to admit informative. Yes, not everyone is suited to live in the northern tundra, but then, sacrifices have to be made to live in the more economical regions of the US such as ND. I've been offered a neurosurgical position in Fargo, but have some reservations since my wife is Hispanic and I have no idea how she will be accepted by the community despite the fact that she is an attorney. I can't imagine there is much use for someone bilingual in Fargo, much less a legal expert. We have had the misfortune of living in areas where the local "rednecks" did nothing more than chastise her kind simply because she was from "Mexico", despite being a legal citizen. She is more intelligent than the average citizen in most cities, but in areas like Fargo, I suspect she would rarely be given the opportunity to prove it. This no doubt accounts for the small percentage of Hispanics in the area. That, of course, and the cold weather. Will I agree to move to Fargo and provide the quality of neurosurgical services that I have provided to the people of Los Angeles and other major cities? I can't say for certain until I visit the city and meet some of the people.
Actually, I would suspect someone would love to hire a bi-lingual attorney in Fargo. I know Grand Forks -- and believe probably Fargo -- has a fairly large hispanic population. As far as any prejudice or racist attitudes -- every place has some jerks, but overall I've found this area to have a 'live and let live' attitude. They're more interested if you're a good neighbor and good citizen in the community than they are skin color. Good luck with your decision.
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Old 11-04-2010, 08:23 AM
 
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to me I guess i still find it funny that people can't stand the cold, yet can stand some seriously hot and humid weather down south, and this is coming from someone who was born and raised in the south.

To me, its a wash. If its hot and humid down south, you go INSIDE to airconditioning. When its extremely cold here, you go INSIDE to the heater.

In a way, I have also found I prefer cold over heat as it seems its easier to just layer up to get warm that it is to cool down when its hot.

You're right. My daughter lives in SW Florida, and that is one miserable place to be during the summer.
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Old 11-04-2010, 08:25 AM
 
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krotzmc,

I finally got the chance to sit down and read your post. I just really want to thank you for taking the time out to respond to me with such a lengthy response. Which is great by the way, that's what i was looking for. With that being said, my husband and I do plan on coming to visit there before we move, and when we do move, you can be sure it wont be in the middle of winter, that is just crazy and not very good planning. Him and I both have always known that we were meant to leave Dallas, we just didn't know where. We have checked out some other states as well, but nothing catches our interest like North Dakota. Thank you for all the wonderful information and advice, and you can be sure that we will think on everything you have provided. And as for the cost of housing there in North Dakota, you guys are way cheaper than the cost of housing over here in Dallas. I'm just tired of this crazy city life and want something homey and not too crowded or noisy.
Good luck with your search. We've been here 21 years now, and I have to sale it was a good place to raise our kids. Low crime, good schools, decent moral people and attitudes, good work ethic. We could have done much worse.
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