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Old 11-21-2010, 08:45 AM
 
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I read books, so sue me.

But ya know, it's a free country, you can read books too.
So true, the culture that celebrates anti-intellectualism usually is parallel to this culture that celebrates unhealthy eating.

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It's nothing new. They've been celebrating it for more than 5 hundred years.



Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, doncha know.
That was not a celebration but obvious distortion. Even in that era those women in certain Baroque paintings were considered plump. We also have to understand most women were thin back then, in fact trying to gain weight was the goal for many because so many sicknesses were associated with being thin and under eating.

Of course if everyone is starving then the person who is able to overeat and become large is going to be viewed differently.

The rule of thumb is that in societies where food is scarce that larger women will become more idealized. In societies where food is plentiful then a woman who is thin is going to be the ideal.

With such a pluralistic society as our own there are going to also be variations and fetishes. One example is the overweight women who believe their best asset is their breasts and then pushes them up to expose cleavage. Certain men find that desirable but not all. Many men will also claim thin women are ugly but it seems to me is that they are just compensating for the fact that they believe that they are only able to score with larger women so reject and even exaggeratedly despise what they believe is inaccessible to them.

Ultimately when all else fails people will find beauty in what they have to work with. We have to come to terms somehow in such situations for the human mind is fragile but also resilient all at the same time.
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Old 11-21-2010, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral, Florida
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I see big, but pretty normal looking women. With bodies that many women, especially after having kids, can eventually have if they aren't athletically inclined. I think of obese (or "fatties" as you put it) as being the ones weighing 250+ or being as wide as they are tall or the ones on TV that loose the weight. I don't think the gals in this pic are that way. There is nothing wrong with body fat in itself, it's when it gets unhealthy that it's a problem. People have a skewed idea of what's normal, whether it's too fat or too thin.

Don't let a little weight freak you out. You may be in worse shape someday.

Well I lived and worked on a beach for 10 years, so I'm a harsh judge, but I call it like I see it. If you're honestly 20 pounds overweight, you are fat. If you are 40 pounds overweight, you are obese. All of this is IMO.

And I won't be in worse shape god willing. 43 and 5'9" 160.
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Old 11-21-2010, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Southern NC
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Well I lived and worked on a beach for 10 years, so I'm a harsh judge, but I call it like I see it. If you're honestly 20 pounds overweight, you are fat. If you are 40 pounds overweight, you are obese. All of this is IMO.

And I won't be in worse shape god willing. 43 and 5'9" 160.

Obesity is only an issue because it's a billion dollar + industry...they have brainwashed you.
As time goes on, society's opinion on weight changes. 100 years ago, women were more sought after if they were heavier...men were considered to be of higher standing in the community if they were overweight.
Someone's obesity doesn't affect anyone else...maybe society should focus on other things that do harm others, such as smoking.
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Old 11-21-2010, 09:35 AM
 
Location: The Midst of Insanity
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So basically you're happier when these women feel less beautiful than their thinner counterparts because of their waste lines? What does that really say about you? I don't know if you know this but OBESE people have to get up and live just like non-obese people. They work, they pay taxes, they have families, relationships etc in other words they live life (like everyone else) whether or not they have your "encouragement"

Why the hell shouldn't they embrace who they are where they are? Because someone showing fake "concern" over their "health" feels like he/she is encouraging some unhealthy lifestyle by doing so? So what they are overweight AND? So what they have have health issues or poor eating habits, I'm sure they are well aware of it and whether or not they choose to do anything about it is whose business again?...

We all have SOMETHING what do YOU have? It's one thing to be ridiculed for being skinny (which is just as messed up), it's another thing to hide behind that excuse to further (and "encourage") your own anti-fat people movement! Time to grow up a little bit; the world doesn't have to revolve around you and what you think! The sooner you realize this the sooner the anti-skinny girl comments will roll off your back and you can be a "role model" and live YOUR life ......as others will "be a role model" and live theirs!

What kind of person is outraged (unhappy, mad) by someone else proclaiming they accept and love who they are?
If you had read the other posts, they go on to state that many woman often make comments to thin woman about their size, and thus a double-standard exists.
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Old 11-21-2010, 09:48 AM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Come on, don't flip out. Be reasonable if you want people to take you seriously. P.E. has NOT been taken out of most schools, nor has recess been taken out of most elementary schools. You are describing an extreme. It's real, yes, but don't try to make the whole country sound this way. People who know otherwise won't believe you, and then they won't listen to you. If you want to help--really--tell the truth.
Obesity Up, Phys Ed Down - The Early Show - CBS News

ABCNEWS.com : No Sweat When Gym Class Cut

Likely No More Phys Ed in Texas Public Schools — Public Education | The Texas Tribune

Boston’s public schools lacking in phys-ed classes - The Boston Globe

Child obesity is at crisis point as physical education declines - ESPN

Schools cut back on art, music, P.E. » Breaking News » The Herald Bulletin
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Old 11-21-2010, 12:23 PM
 
Location: The Hall of Justice
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Your first link said that only six percent of U.S. schools offer P.E.--I find that hard to believe. I do believe that lower income areas are likely to cut P.E. due to lack of funds, like your article says. Whatever the real stats, I'm glad I live in an area where that is not the case. We pay hefty property taxes but it's worth it.

Our daughter's high school has a very refreshing approach to P.E. They recognize that regular physical activity is good not only for the body, but also the mind.

The Positive Effects of Physical Activity on Learning (http://brandon-hall.com/richardnantel/2007/05/14/the-positive-effects-of-physical-activity-on-learning/ - broken link)

http://www.activelivingresearch.org/files/Active_Ed.pdf (broken link)

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Students whose time in PE or school-based physical activity was increased maintained or improved their grades and scores on standardized achievement tests, even though they received less classroom instructional time than students in control groups.
Being physically active increases the brain's ability to learn. My daughter's school has embraced that philosophy, to the point where if a student is doing poorly in a particular subject, his or her schedule may be rearranged so that the troublesome subject comes right after P.E. Their approach to gym class is not just to keep kids occupied for an hour and make them burn some energy, but part of a complete education.

Edited: From your second link:

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Many public health experts and physicians recommend daily gym class from kindergarten through high school. But Illinois is the only state to require daily PE for all class levels.
Way to go, Illinois!
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Old 11-21-2010, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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Well I lived and worked on a beach for 10 years, so I'm a harsh judge, but I call it like I see it. If you're honestly 20 pounds overweight, you are fat. If you are 40 pounds overweight, you are obese. All of this is IMO.

And I won't be in worse shape god willing. 43 and 5'9" 160.
Interesting. I'm 33, 5'10" and this is my preferred weight...which I have been told is fat. I'm female.
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Old 11-21-2010, 02:05 PM
 
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Oh I read them...I just don't think they justify being "OUTRAGED" at the pride others have for their size.

Where do you think the ideas behind the terms "curvy and proud" or "fat is where it's at" or "real women" have curves" come from?

I'll let you ponder that for a moment.

Instead of seeing it as some sort of DISS to your size thin women, why not see it for what it is,

..... which is

"instead of buying into the BS that because I'm CURVY, FAT, etc.... That I'm less of a woman or somehow not a real woman".....

I'll embrace and or proclaim that "I too am a beautiful REAL woman WITH my curves!!"


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If you had read the other posts, they go on to state that many woman often make comments to thin woman about their size, and thus a double-standard exists.

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Old 11-21-2010, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Obesity is only an issue because it's a billion dollar + industry...they have brainwashed you.
As time goes on, society's opinion on weight changes. 100 years ago, women were more sought after if they were heavier...men were considered to be of higher standing in the community if they were overweight.
Someone's obesity doesn't affect anyone else...maybe society should focus on other things that do harm others, such as smoking.
One of the main justifications for hefty cigarette taxes is the burden to society that smoking causes.

Smokers miss more work due to illness.

Smokers raise everyones health care costs due to smoking related illnesses.

You can say the same things about the overweight. They place a burden on SOCIETY.

There you have the justifications the Nanny State will use when targeting the obese.

A burden to society..........that will be the cry of the Nanny State as they figure out and legislate ways to make the obese pay for their costs.

Society applauded the Nanny State for going after those unhealthy smokers and making them pay.

The pattern has been set...........Pandora's Box has been opened.

.............and then they came for me.
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Old 11-21-2010, 02:23 PM
 
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Obesity is only an issue because it's a billion dollar + industry...they have brainwashed you.
As time goes on, society's opinion on weight changes. 100 years ago, women were more sought after if they were heavier...men were considered to be of higher standing in the community if they were overweight.
Someone's obesity doesn't affect anyone else...maybe society should focus on other things that do harm others, such as smoking.
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