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Old 12-18-2010, 07:15 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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It's like how in the movies the sergeant/major always calls his soldiers 'ladies' and weak/effeminate men are called 'little girls.' You rarely hear women being called 'men' for acting too butch. No, they are praised because male characteristics are held in higher regard.

When everything 'masculine' becomes female people will realise this silly double standard (which is far lamer than seeing it for what it is, I notice folk often get defensive when you question unwritten social rules/norms) and relax these 'stigmas'. There's nothing innately female about the name 'Ashley' which here in Australlia is still very much a unisex name, like tight clothing it's become 'female by association' because you only see females sporting it.
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Old 12-18-2010, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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You rarely hear women being called 'men' for acting too butch. No, they are praised because male characteristics are held in higher regard.
Well, women do get criticized for acting like tomboys (it's somewhat acceptable in youth, but something that they're expected to "grow out of").

Women can be called "manly" in an unflattering way, but it's definitely by far not as stigmatized as the opposite.
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Old 12-18-2010, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Anchorage
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This is the main point of my thread, which people just don't seem to get. Fashion is never just fashion; there's always a deeper socio-cultural dimension behind it. I just find it bleedingly obvious why the fashions differ so much by gender. In the 1890s women's fashion was frilly because they were 'elegant and pretty', now 'sexy' is the most common adjective for/goal of fashion and it shows in how much more flesh women show off than men. This in itself is not what I have a problem with, what irks me is it's so lopsided that it seems only women but not men are seen in a sexual way.
I get it, it says we are just here to show our f$^&abilty.
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Old 12-19-2010, 04:35 PM
 
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Melbourne is the only one that stands out for me. The other cities seem full of folk who prefer Supre, City Beach, Jay Jay's, K-Mart, Sportsgirl type places (not saying that's bad, but the definition of 'fashion' seems almost everybody wearing the same things).
true, I was out on Saturday night & I swear I was the only girl not wearing a short black mini & a singlet top, with massive high heels. How boring....
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:42 AM
 
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It's like how in the movies the sergeant/major always calls his soldiers 'ladies' and weak/effeminate men are called 'little girls.' You rarely hear women being called 'men' for acting too butch. No, they are praised because male characteristics are held in higher regard.

When everything 'masculine' becomes female people will realise this silly double standard (which is far lamer than seeing it for what it is, I notice folk often get defensive when you question unwritten social rules/norms) and relax these 'stigmas'. There's nothing innately female about the name 'Ashley' which here in Australlia is still very much a unisex name, like tight clothing it's become 'female by association' because you only see females sporting it.
In the 70s and early 80s tight clothing was worn by men and women. Guys could wear those open shirts and pants that showed *everything*. The 90s were also kind of unisex but in the opposite way. Men and women could wear loose comfy or baggy clothing. Now women are supposed to look like hookers but men can still be comfortable. Even little girls are wearing higher heels (awful from a medical standpoint), little fake underwire bras and those stupid t-shirts with dirty messages. Women are getting their toes broken and reset just so they can wear stripper shoes. This is not female empowerment. It's almost a repeat of the days when women had to wear girdles and corsets to be considered feminine so I guess feminism didn't take so well.
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:54 AM
 
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I preferer to keep mens clothes because there is more space to move Men gets all the comfortable things and I want them too
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Old 12-20-2010, 09:39 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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In the 70s and early 80s tight clothing was worn by men and women. Guys could wear those open shirts and pants that showed *everything*. The 90s were also kind of unisex but in the opposite way. Men and women could wear loose comfy or baggy clothing. Now women are supposed to look like hookers but men can still be comfortable. Even little girls are wearing higher heels (awful from a medical standpoint), little fake underwire bras and those stupid t-shirts with dirty messages. Women are getting their toes broken and reset just so they can wear stripper shoes. This is not female empowerment. It's almost a repeat of the days when women had to wear girdles and corsets to be considered feminine so I guess feminism didn't take so well.
Sounds like another 'only in America' thing . Was it just one insanely fashion-conscious gal or is this actually a trend? The mind boggles.

Glad someone acknowledges that fashion isn't really very unisex these days. Yes women may wear pants and shorts, but they wear 'em very DIFFERENT from men in case you haven't noticed.

But yeah, the whole having to be 'hot' and stuff is what annoys me about it. It's more an expression of the inner mind than the actual fashion. Which is why I prefer girls who can dress a little more casually.
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:09 PM
 
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I started wearing a tweed leisure suit everyday. I'm bringing it back.
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Old 12-21-2010, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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This is the main point of my thread, which people just don't seem to get. Fashion is never just fashion; there's always a deeper socio-cultural dimension behind it.
Ahh, I took it as the point of the thread was to complain about what other/younger people are wearing that you don't like.

Men and women are biologically and physiologically different. Our fashions tend to reflect that. And since the basic premise of life (of any sort) is to be born, reproduce, and die, then it's no curiosity that we evolve and adjust our manufactured plumage to accomodate that. You don't HAVE to wear "sexy" clothing if you don't want to. But I don't think there's as much of a double standard/lack of pressure on guys as you might think at first.


The point is to say "whatever" and be who you feel comfortable being. I can't be those guys, and don't want to.

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Old 12-21-2010, 03:24 PM
 
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Ahh, I took it as the point of the thread was to complain about what other/younger people are wearing that you don't like.

Men and women are biologically and physiologically different. Our fashions tend to reflect that. And since the basic premise of life (of any sort) is to be born, reproduce, and die, then it's no curiosity that we evolve and adjust our manufactured plumage to accomodate that. You don't HAVE to wear "sexy" clothing if you don't want to. But I don't think there's as much of a double standard/lack of pressure on guys as you might think at first.








And even when "clothed" the pressure is on guys to be "sexy"



The point is to say "whatever" and be who you feel comfortable being. I can't be those guys, and don't want to.
But men can FIND normal comfortable clothes that look nice and stylish easily. Women cannot so much- it is either spandex tight or shapeless and boring. I was so easily able to get my Christmas clothes shopping for guys done. They got nice soft shirts and sweaters. They will fit well, look good and be comfortable. I can't even find one shirt for myself that isn't either sheer, tight, long, elasticised, low cut, embellished or just weird. That is in Misses, not even juniors. Go to Ladies and it's nursing home wear.

Sorry I don't want to look like Snooki or a Real Housewife. I just wish women's fashion would ease up and loosen up a bit. Casual wear is certainly out there but boy, is it casual - no I don't want to have to wear pajamas or sweats to be comfortable.
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