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Old 07-12-2012, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Geauga County, Ohio
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OK, just a weird topic for discussion.

Anyway, here goes. I'm FAR from the earth-mother/hippie type, however, I've long felt that, as a society, we have gone from one extreme, i.e., being afraid to bathe for health reasons a few hundred years ago, to basically trying to be completely sterile (clean/sterile, not reproductively sterile) these days.

There is this prevailing attitude out there, especially when regarding sex and relationships, that if there is a single hair where it "shouldn't" be, or one drop of sweat, or one tiny ounce of natural odor, that we are somehow dirty, unclean, and unworthy of attention.

While I do shower daily and have what I consider to be good hygiene, both my husband and myself actually like, and prefer, that the other have a bit of their "natural" scent, we find it far more alluring and romantic that way. Same with our body hair -- I do shave my legs and underarms, but that's it, and my husband does not do the "manscaping" thing, he does shave his face and cut his hair of course, however.

I think we, as a society, are basically trying to make ourselves into mannequins - no odors, no hairs anywhere but the head and eyebrows, even surgically altering our genitals (especially women and the "designer vagina" fad) to meet some "ideal".

Then there is our obsession with weight and fitness. Again, it's one of extremes. Either you're fat and lazy, or you work out 6 hours a day and want this perfect body...what happened to just eating right, being active, and being as healthy as you can, while accepting that you don't look like a Barbie doll or Arnold Schwarzenegger during his pre "Governator" era? Not everyone can, or even should, look like that!

It even extends to what we do for recreation - it seems like kids these days don't want to do anything that gets their hands dirty, or makes them sweat, they'd rather play with their video games and iPods.

I'm not against shaving, or even plastic surgery in cases where it is truly beneficial, and, in the end, I do consider it a personal choice, but am I wrong here? Same thing with being clean, I am a clean person, I don't smell or look unkempt, but I don't go crazy with it, and am not afraid to get my hands dirty.

Really my argument is more one of moderation and common sense...but have we gone a bit too far with all this?
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Old 07-12-2012, 06:54 AM
 
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i prefer to smell like fresh laundry then the natural sent of a fresh fart, natures urine necter, humming human fecus, or BO.


but to each is own.......


being clean and hygenic dates back to the ancient egyptions nothing new

http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/.../cosmetics.htm
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Geauga County, Ohio
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I dont smell like any of those things, Lavender. Neither did the average person 25 years ago when few people did all this excessive stuff.
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:09 AM
 
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I dont smell like any of those things, Lavender. Neither did the average person 25 years ago when few people did all this excessive stuff.
well you did say natural sent in your first post an what i listed are natural sents that ferment from us.


people have been grooming themselves since Acient egyptian times NOTHING NEW DEAR NOTHING NEW loads of arties on google about the history of what you consider obsessive grooming
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:12 AM
 
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Did I say I was against hygiene or grooming? No. I just think some take it to a ridiculous extreme.
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:16 AM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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I think we're just not comfortable with what we are - animals, who emit 'yucky' and smelly substances.

I think it probably it is a bit neurotic. The idea that any body hair on a woman is gross, the obsession with body modification in general, having perfect skin with no blemishes, having cosmetic surgery, having silicon blobs inserted into your breasts (200 years ago they'd probably think we were some bizarre cyborgs for it!), even vaginal modification - stuff which didn't even exist a decade ago. I also think de-oderants and anti-persperants aren't even necessary: just shower after you exercise or get sweaty!

If people want to go for it they are free to do so, but it's not really my cup of tea. These women want these sex doll/porn star looks and obsess over it, trying to stave away the inevitability of aging.
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Geauga County, Ohio
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I think we're just not comfortable with what we are - animals, who emit 'yucky' and smelly substances.

I think it probably it is a bit neurotic. The idea that any body hair on a woman is gross, the obsession with body modification in general, having perfect skin with no blemishes, having cosmetic surgery, having silicon blobs inserted into your breasts (200 years ago they'd probably think we were some bizarre cyborgs for it!), even vaginal modification - stuff which didn't even exist a decade ago. I also think de-oderants and anti-persperants aren't even necessary: just shower after you exercise or get sweaty!

If people want to go for it they are free to do so, but it's not really my cup of tea. These women want these sex doll/porn star looks and obsess over it, trying to stave away the inevitability of aging.
Thank you! You said what I was trying to, but much more eloquently.
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:21 AM
 
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maybe i have Egyptian roots and Egyptian hygene is in my genes.
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Old 07-12-2012, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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I agree with @CrueRulz and @Trimac20. There are some basic expectations about hygiene, but there is no need in my book to remove every hair, and cover your natural scent 24/7 with endless applications of perfume and cologne to eliminate every trace of humanness.

I am one of those people who definitely needs a strong deodorant, but I don't need strong scented personal care products. It is surprising, but many people have a pleasant "unadulterated" scent.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Geauga County, Ohio
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I agree with @CrueRulz and @Trimac20. There are some basic expectations about hygiene, but there is no need in my book to remove every hair, and cover your natural scent 24/7 with endless applications of perfume and cologne to eliminate every trace of humanness.

I am one of those people who definitely needs a strong deodorant, but I don't need strong scented personal care products. It is surprising, but many people have a pleasant "unadulterated" scent.
Exactly! I'm the same way - I definitely do wear deodorant, but don't usually use scented products. I will occasionally use some, or some perfume or cologne for special date nights and big events, if it's the kind of situation that warrants getting dolled up, but it's not an everyday thing.
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