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Old 08-24-2012, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Anyone who calls themselves a woman (cis-gendered, transgendered, intersex) is a "real" woman. Size and fat percentage have absolutely no bearing on what it means to be a "real" woman. I've always believed that phrase was just another way to pit women against each other.
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:46 PM
 
Location: NoVa
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A woman is a woman, period. I remember as a young woman of about 25 or so I was facing having a hysterectomy. My ex mother in law kept telling me it wouldn't make me any less of a woman. I didn't care about that. I knew having the surgery wasn't going to make me less of a woman. I was a woman.

It was going to make me unable to have anymore children. I was still going to be a woman, of course.

I think I saw Oleg Bach explain it best.....

I think I am plenty woman, and it is not because I get up and curl my hair and put on make-up, because I do neither....
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:47 PM
 
Location: NoVa
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Anyone who calls themselves a woman (cis-gendered, transgendered, intersex) is a "real" woman. Size and fat percentage have absolutely no bearing on what it means to be a "real" woman. I've always believed that phrase was just another way to pit women against each other.
I am not sure I agree with your statement. In my opinion, if you weren't born a woman, you are not a woman.
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:03 PM
 
Location: las vegas nevada
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I always thought a real woman was anyone who isn't plastic or doesn't need extensive make up to have her beauty shine through...
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Middle of the ocean
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Well, whatever it is I'm not going to participate in anything that puts down other women due to anything like, or maintenance or anything.

I can't see ANY point in proclaiming X group are REAL women and the others are not.
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:49 PM
 
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It's a term in fashion and marketing, which uses idealistic standards normally (size 2, 6 ft tall, etc.)

The term "real woman" is when they use normal women (short or anything not standard skinny model).
Oh nifty, I'm 6 ft and a size 2, nice to know I'm somebody's ideal.
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Boston
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I am not sure I agree with your statement. In my opinion, if you weren't born a woman, you are not a woman.
Take trans-gendered women, for example. They were born as men, but in their minds they felt like women even though physically they looked otherwise. As they get older, some trans* people ask to be referred to as women because that is the gender they truly feel they are. I believe that if someone calls themselves a woman, then they are a woman. Who am I to say, "No, you cannot be a woman because you weren't born with a vagina, breasts, ovaries, etc."? Not only that, but I would feel as if I were being rude and dismissive towards their gender identity.

Gender and sex do not always go hand and hand.
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Old 08-24-2012, 09:07 PM
 
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Take trans-gendered women, for example. They were born as men, but in their minds they felt like women even though physically they looked otherwise. As they get older, some trans* people ask to be referred to as women because that is the gender they truly feel they are. I believe that if someone calls themselves a woman, then they are a woman. Who am I to say, "No, you cannot be a woman because you weren't born with a vagina, breasts, ovaries, etc."? Not only that, but I would feel as if I were being rude and dismissive towards their gender identity.

Gender and sex do not always go hand and hand.
You may not say NO you are not But you have the right FRAME of mind to know otherwise.
Just because someone believes they are something, does not mean they are.
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Old 08-24-2012, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Boston
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You may not say NO you are not But you have the right FRAME of mind to know otherwise.
Just because someone believes they are something, does not mean they are.
So, if you met a trans woman, you would tell her "You can't possibly be a woman because you weren't born one. We all know if you're born a man, then you are one for life." even if she tells you, "No, I know in my heart I was meant to be born a woman, and it makes me feel whole to call myself one."?

If so, that is appalling. I really shouldn't be surprised because transphobia does exist, but I'm truly disgusted right now. No one has the right to decide someone else's gender identity even if it is confusing to you nor does anyone have the right to tell them that their gender identity is wrong.
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Old 08-25-2012, 05:48 AM
 
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So, if you met a trans woman, you would tell her "You can't possibly be a woman because you weren't born one. We all know if you're born a man, then you are one for life." even if she tells you, "No, I know in my heart I was meant to be born a woman, and it makes me feel whole to call myself one."?

If so, that is appalling. I really shouldn't be surprised because transphobia does exist, but I'm truly disgusted right now. No one has the right to decide someone else's gender identity even if it is confusing to you nor does anyone have the right to tell them that their gender identity is wrong.
I understand you are appalled however it does nothing to change the fact that a transgender person is born male/female before this SURGICAL transformation.

I possess absoluetly zero prejudice toward someone of the transgender lifestyle.

My intention is not to offend anyone, my stance will be my belief; could I be wrong sure, just as you.
I appreciate your input seriously, I learn much from the members of CD.
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