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Old 06-22-2014, 04:37 AM
 
Location: Northville, MI
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Supply and demand. Women's bodies and sexuality are more in demand then males. I don't know why men in here are getting butt hurt that their bodies aren't objectified more, lol. Oh the horror, I am actually judged for my character instead of how nice my ass is, oh the horror!
So women want to be loved an cared, but in turn will give men visual appeal and nothing else. I cant fall for that. I do judge people by their character, woman or man. Its what will eventually matter in relationships over time.

Deep down, women want their feelings to be respected. For that to happen, good character is essential. Good looks can get you 1 night of sex, what more. A woman with good character wins hearts. The disappointing thing is that most men learn this way too late in their lives . I was educated by my parents to appreciate character over looks since the age of 10.

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Old 06-22-2014, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Fairfield, CT
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I think overall men simply dont want to be labelled as "sperm donors" and nothing else.
That's true, just as women don't want to simply be labeled as baby incubators. Anybody who makes either argument is pretty ignorant.
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Old 06-22-2014, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Winter nightime low 60,summer daytime high 85, sunny 300 days/year, no hablamos ingles aquí
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Then you could just call women walking incubators and nannies...how is that any different? Saying that just devalues and dehumanises people. We're not basic cellular animals whose sole purpose in life is to reproduce: it's a good thing these days people are more valued for what they can contribute as individuals, not just what their DNA says.

Male bodies have been 'worshipped' throughout history, as well. Look at all those statues.
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I think overall men simply dont want to be labelled as "sperm donors" and nothing else.
Of course men and women are valued for their contribution to art, music, literature, technology and countless other artifacts of civilisation.
But read-up on Maslow's hierarchy of needs
Just as no amount of willpower will remove your need to breathe, self-restraint is not effective in preventing human desire to have sex.
Sex in humans do not necessarily lead to reproduction, but is the biological equivalent of the latter, and after breathing, drinking, eating and shelter is the prime force that drives humans.
Countless news of devastating, career-destroying sex scandals by high ranking individuals or members of the clergy illustrate the point.
Men and women don't like to see reproduction as the sole purpose of their lives.
If your name is Da Vinci, Shakespeare , Newton, Beethoven, or Einstein, you've left a heritage that will last for eternity (of the human civilisation that is).
For the remaining 99.99%, well, you surely understand what your only 'heritage' may be. It's in our genes, and no denials will change that.

When a female turns from a child into a woman, she places (often unconsciously) every man she meets into 1 of those 2 categories: potential mate candidate, or not.
Tall height and physical strength indicate good "protector" and that's why women are attracted by those features. Handsomes looks are usually the outcome of good facial symmetry == good immune system.
Intelligence, wit and energy == potential good provider. The human characteristics that are apparently not related to reproductive value, like great dancer, talented musician or "great around the house" in fact indicate a nimble and productive mind.

Back to the subject of male body: yes, it was revered at some points in the past. But did you notice how? The Venus of Milo just stands there doing nothing. OTOH, look at the famous male statutes.
Most of them either have something in their hands (a discus, a spear, a stick, a sword), or are engaged in some kind of physical activity. This indicates that the creators may have admired the male body not so much for the sheer "beauty" of it, as it is the case with womans body, but the capacity to act - the most valued masculine attribute.

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Old 06-22-2014, 10:57 AM
 
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What is ironic is that the myth of the ugly male body didn't start until the early 1990s. This thread is similar to the shorter mens shorts threads that I and others have particiated in. After catching flack from people, almost always females, for wearing shorter shorts as a male, I decided to do some internet research and ask females that I knew what their opinions were on this sunject. Most women that I knew and that I knew were heterosexual, said that they prefer men to cover up, especially their thighs, but showing off their chest and arms was acceptable. I have read where some women detest body hair on a man.
On the internet, I found several years ago a well written article that explained that until the late 1980s, men enjoyed a wider range of fashion choices than today and that men wearing short shorts, stomach-bearing shirts, and other skin showing items of yesteryear, were not only acceptable for males to wear, but preferred. Then, a chain ofd events caused a cultural shift to cause revulsion of the male body. Among them were the emergence of a 'gay look' caused by the backlash to the Gay Rights Movement of the 1980s, the fear brought about by the AIDS catastrophe, and by the early 1990s, the emerging Rap and Hip Hop culture, which would by the mid-1990s, with its hypermasculinity and baggy clothes become the only way for young males to dress. For several years in the early 1990s, Surfer, Skater, and Grunge styles competed with Hip Hop in cultural influence, and all featured long and baggy male attire. Michael Jordan began wearing long and baggy basketball shorts by the late 1980s so he could wear his 'lucky' college shorts underneath. When the Fab 5 Wolverines adopted the look in 1991, it spread to basketball at large. I would say in my own life, I noticed the long and baggy clothing dominate male fashion around 1991 and that by 1994 or so, it was all long and baggy. Since then until about 5 or so years ago, rappers and rap inspired sports, set the trends. Also at the same time, women began wearing less and less and showing more skin. To many, a woman skowing skin is a fform of female liberation and empowerment. Movies and tv shows such as Reno 911 began to feature gay male characters in short shorts or other skin-baring attire so that the audience can easily see that they are gay.
I have always found it ironic that most straight women would prefer to see another woman showing thigh and other skin while the same on a man, which she would be attracted to, is repulsive. Read through the threads on men in shorter shorts and look at many female posters' replies. Many of these posters are no doubt old enough to remember when a man showing some skin was appreciated. I have struggled to understand why this revulsion of the male body by supposedly straight females and have drawn two conclusions as to why this is possible. 1. Skin baring clothing has become associated only with women and for some reason, gay men. It is still unacceptable by society at large for men to do many things that are considered the domain of women. 2. Women, like most of society, were brainwashed by the cultural shift that occurred that was the basklash to the Gay Rights Movement.
At the same time, heterosexual men ate this up with no questions asked. Just dress this way and you will prove to the world that you are not gay. It got even to the point where swim shorts for men became extremely baggy and past the knees, sometimes almost to the ankle.
About 2009 or so, the trend seems to be reversing very slowly. Skinny jeans came back and now, shorts are starting to slowly inch above the knee. In 2011, te group LMFAO put out the hit song "Sexy and I Know It," which was well-received. Then in 2012, "Magic Mike" came out.
So, I think the myth of the male body, which was created roughly 25 years ago and picked up as time went along, may slowly be being dispelled. If the current trend continues, we will be back to where we were before long and baggy became near universal for men. If that is the case, I will be curious to know in 15 years or so what people think of these trends as they look back on them.
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Old 06-22-2014, 11:19 AM
 
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I don't want to brag, but my soft underarm skin make women jealous, sometimes very jealous.
You sure about that????
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Old 06-22-2014, 01:47 PM
 
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It seems that men do worship large male genitals (that's the only male physical feature important in pornos [it's not as women's tastes are borne in mind when dirty movies are made]). While many men would fancy being handsome and having a tall, muscular body, it's not a reality for many for a myriad of reasons (nature, lifestyle, laziness, etc). They cannot resort to make-up, either. And so they resign and subscribe to the the ugly macho man mentality: that being handsome with a sexy physique is just for the sissy boys. Having a large member is what many men desire than looks anyways, right? Their ugly macho boy buddies would agree.

(My old man used to say that men couldn't get enough of John Holmes in the 70's...that is quite telling about blue-collar men.)
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Old 06-22-2014, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Northville, MI
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You sure about that????
Why would I lie to anybody. If you want proof without photo shopping, ask me personally.
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Old 06-22-2014, 09:53 PM
 
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Why would I lie to anybody. If you want proof without photo shopping, ask me personally.
Nobody was saying that you were lying to us. I believe the implication was that you were being lied to.
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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What is ironic is that the myth of the ugly male body didn't start until the early 1990s. This thread is similar to the shorter mens shorts threads that I and others have particiated in. After catching flack from people, almost always females, for wearing shorter shorts as a male, I decided to do some internet research and ask females that I knew what their opinions were on this sunject. Most women that I knew and that I knew were heterosexual, said that they prefer men to cover up, especially their thighs, but showing off their chest and arms was acceptable. I have read where some women detest body hair on a man.
On the internet, I found several years ago a well written article that explained that until the late 1980s, men enjoyed a wider range of fashion choices than today and that men wearing short shorts, stomach-bearing shirts, and other skin showing items of yesteryear, were not only acceptable for males to wear, but preferred. Then, a chain ofd events caused a cultural shift to cause revulsion of the male body. Among them were the emergence of a 'gay look' caused by the backlash to the Gay Rights Movement of the 1980s, the fear brought about by the AIDS catastrophe, and by the early 1990s, the emerging Rap and Hip Hop culture, which would by the mid-1990s, with its hypermasculinity and baggy clothes become the only way for young males to dress. For several years in the early 1990s, Surfer, Skater, and Grunge styles competed with Hip Hop in cultural influence, and all featured long and baggy male attire. Michael Jordan began wearing long and baggy basketball shorts by the late 1980s so he could wear his 'lucky' college shorts underneath. When the Fab 5 Wolverines adopted the look in 1991, it spread to basketball at large. I would say in my own life, I noticed the long and baggy clothing dominate male fashion around 1991 and that by 1994 or so, it was all long and baggy. Since then until about 5 or so years ago, rappers and rap inspired sports, set the trends. Also at the same time, women began wearing less and less and showing more skin. To many, a woman skowing skin is a fform of female liberation and empowerment. Movies and tv shows such as Reno 911 began to feature gay male characters in short shorts or other skin-baring attire so that the audience can easily see that they are gay.
I have always found it ironic that most straight women would prefer to see another woman showing thigh and other skin while the same on a man, which she would be attracted to, is repulsive. Read through the threads on men in shorter shorts and look at many female posters' replies. Many of these posters are no doubt old enough to remember when a man showing some skin was appreciated. I have struggled to understand why this revulsion of the male body by supposedly straight females and have drawn two conclusions as to why this is possible. 1. Skin baring clothing has become associated only with women and for some reason, gay men. It is still unacceptable by society at large for men to do many things that are considered the domain of women. 2. Women, like most of society, were brainwashed by the cultural shift that occurred that was the basklash to the Gay Rights Movement.
At the same time, heterosexual men ate this up with no questions asked. Just dress this way and you will prove to the world that you are not gay. It got even to the point where swim shorts for men became extremely baggy and past the knees, sometimes almost to the ankle.
About 2009 or so, the trend seems to be reversing very slowly. Skinny jeans came back and now, shorts are starting to slowly inch above the knee. In 2011, te group LMFAO put out the hit song "Sexy and I Know It," which was well-received. Then in 2012, "Magic Mike" came out.
So, I think the myth of the male body, which was created roughly 25 years ago and picked up as time went along, may slowly be being dispelled. If the current trend continues, we will be back to where we were before long and baggy became near universal for men. If that is the case, I will be curious to know in 15 years or so what people think of these trends as they look back on them.
Probably a lot of truth in what you say. I remember as a kid in the early 80s that men in their 20s did show a lot of "skin". And baggy swimming suits really aren't very comfortable for men at all. Something form-fitting and way above the knees is more comfortable, buy you have to have the body for it
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Old 06-23-2014, 03:46 PM
 
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Back to the subject of male body: yes, it was revered at some points in the past. But did you notice how? The Venus of Milo just stands there doing nothing. OTOH, look at the famous male statutes.
Most of them either have something in their hands (a discus, a spear, a stick, a sword), or are engaged in some kind of physical activity. This indicates that the creators may have admired the male body not so much for the sheer "beauty" of it, as it is the case with womans body, but the capacity to act - the most valued masculine attribute.
I think that in Ancient Greece and Rome that the male body was very much admired for its sheer beauty. Women weren't considered heroines in the way men could be. That's why would see discs and swords in their hands. Women were not entertainers, so they didn't have anything to accompany their nude bodies. What, are you going to have the Venus of Milo holding a baby, or washing dishes?
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