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Old 11-11-2011, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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Well, to me a little hair on the pubes differentiates the little girls from the women. I tried that bald look once a long time ago when I was asked to, and not only did I think it looked ugly the irritation was miserable. And I wasn't about to take a razor to it on a daily basis. Screw that.

I'll grab the razor when I plan to wear a swimsuit but only to trim.

I wouldn't like bald privates on a man either.
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Old 11-12-2011, 05:29 PM
 
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so, you think Moderator cut: link deleted this looks the same as Moderator cut: link deleted this?
He/she is talking about the genitals. There is no differentiation between a prepubescents genitals and a pubescent genitals when they are shaven. To some the shaven genitals are alluring because it gives a youthful appearance.

As for my opinion, I am saddened. Through every generation there's some patch of hair on a woman that is added to the list of places to shave. People are becoming less and less appreciative of genital hair just as they've become of leg hair or underarm hair or arm hair... Someday people are going to be walking around completely naked of any body hair.

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Old 11-12-2011, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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As for my opinion, I am saddened. Through every generation there's some patch of hair on a woman that is added to the list of places to shave. People are becoming less and less appreciative of genital hair just as they've become of leg hair or underarm hair or arm hair... Someday people are going to be walking around completely naked of any body hair.
Somehow this doesn't rate high on my list of human travesties. Considering most people keep those areas covered up, who really cares what's goin' on under there? Sounds like another one of those things only grumpy old mean worry about.
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Middleboro, Massachusetts
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I'll refrain from my instinctive attack on the ever common "pre-pubescent" analogy that pops up in discussions about small breasts, shaving, and thinness. That said, there are specific premises in this debate that are unacceptable. One is that the trend to shaving more and more parts is female specific. There is no doubt that the shaving curve favors women, but men are tending to their body hair more and more. That includes shaving.

That brings us to why. There was a time when our heads were about the only parts we exposed to the public, and we developed grooming techniques specific to that part of our bodies. As we expose more and more of ourselves, further grooming becomes relevant. As we move toward equality, maintenance of the male aesthetic also becomes important. There are, of course, lots of people with lots of preferences... hair pouring out of bathing suits or carpeting men's backs... or the smooth skin. Of course, nature provides a direction for disparities in gender specific preferences regarding hair growth, so the direction of less hair on the bodies of women makes sense.

Eh, either way, it has little to do with the appearance of pre-pubescence. Anyone with any real experience with the lights on can tell the difference. Hell, even skin texture changes- and even on genitalia. Inner labia drop on most women, and men... well, hair or not, most of us have become a lot more substantial than boys.

I feel like there is a sociological phenomenon that pushes people to distance themselves from any sexual proclivity that might seem vaguely directed at youth. It comes with its own language, with terms like "real men" and "real women". It has become a refuge for the heavy, and it has become a proof point for sexual acceptability.

I say... there is beauty in the body, and if it intrigues and excites to see it bared as thoroughly as possible, that is a very healthy and logical state of preference.
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:14 PM
 
Location: middleboro, ma
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funny how we can talk all day about the genitals of adult women versus the genitals of prepubescent girls, but heaven forbid we actually look at non-pornographic photos for a realistic comparison.

i think a lot of people reach for reasons/excuses to not like something, or to not change their own habits. why do we make references, direct or indirect, to pedophilia? why do we compare the bodies of adults to the bodies of children? whether they are targeted at a very specific body part or to the overall body image, these comparisons are not productive, and usually quite exaggerated for the sake of trying to make a point and influence others. adults look like adults. adult body parts look like adult body parts. some are too quick to disparage people who do things differently than the way they do them.

looking back at the first page of this thread is depressing. ew! yucky! gross! obviously they only do it because it's trendy. right?

the only reason you ever need to give when talking about something you don't like is "i personally don't like that." if you don't want to do it, and don't want to have relations with people who do it, then don't. it really is that simple. you're allowed to have your preferences. you don't have to defend them. you don't have to insult people who don't share your preferences.

as for shaving being some new thing that has developed over the last few generations, and removing pubic hair being just another crazy thing kids do these days... spend some time looking at anatomically accurate paintings of nude adults, both male and female, by michellangelo and da vinci. tell me how much body hair you find.
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:14 PM
 
Location: SWUS
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He/she is talking about the genitals. There is no differentiation between a prepubescents genitals and a pubescent genitals when they are shaven. To some the shaven genitals are alluring because it gives a youthful appearance.

As for my opinion, I am saddened. Through every generation there's some patch of hair on a woman that is added to the list of places to shave. People are becoming less and less appreciative of genital hair just as they've become of leg hair or underarm hair or arm hair... Someday people are going to be walking around completely naked of any body hair.
I wasn't aware that this was saddening or something to be lamented or appreciated. Some people do it for aesthetic reasons, some people shave because they simply don't like how it feels. What is wrong with that? Besides, we have clothes and heating for staying warm. And fire.

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Somehow this doesn't rate high on my list of human travesties. Considering most people keep those areas covered up, who really cares what's goin' on under there? Sounds like another one of those things only grumpy old mean worry about.
Seriously...
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:40 PM
 
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I'll refrain from my instinctive attack on the ever common "pre-pubescent" analogy that pops up in discussions about small breasts, shaving, and thinness.
There are of course, different reasons for everyone, but can you truly deny that some people look for such things because they have a fondness for that which look youthful?

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That said, there are specific premises in this debate that are unacceptable. One is that the trend to shaving more and more parts is female specific.
This thread title is " young women fully shaving", that is probably why people are going to it with the female side in mind.

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Eh, either way, it has little to do with the appearance of pre-pubescence. Anyone with any real experience with the lights on can tell the difference.
Real experience with women and girls? I kid. Heh, you set yourself up for that one. Really though, how do men differentiate between a girls vagina and a womans?

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I feel like there is a sociological phenomenon that pushes people to distance themselves from any sexual proclivity that might seem vaguely directed at youth.
I agree. It seems as though after World War II (In America anyways) we have a tendancy to shun women who wish to be cute or youthful.

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funny how we can talk all day about the genitals of adult women versus the genitals of prepubescent girls, but heaven forbid we actually look at non-pornographic photos for a realistic comparison.
American society has a strange thing going on, we both sexualize our children (through clothing, tv, ect) but at the same time we do not want to see them as sexual creatures. There was a time where a child could play on a beach nude, but these days it would be improper.

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I wasn't aware that this was saddening or something to be lamented or appreciated. Some people do it for aesthetic reasons, some people shave because they simply don't like how it feels. What is wrong with that? Besides, we have clothes and heating for staying warm. And fire.

Seriously...
You don't understand me. It is saddening for me because I see it as an end of a generation. You can't stop change but you can lament what does. I look back upon the past and see now how our perception and acceptance of things change, this is what makes me sad. What once was accepted is now seen as "gross". Saying people do it because they like how it feels or for aesthetic is ignoring the fact that society now sees it as "gross" and people do it because they feel it is what is acceptable and the norm. I am not saying people don't do it for the reasons you listed, but cultural/societal acceptance is a big one.
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Old 11-12-2011, 08:32 PM
 
Location: SWUS
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You don't understand me. It is saddening for me because I see it as an end of a generation. You can't stop change but you can lament what does. I look back upon the past and see now how our perception and acceptance of things change, this is what makes me sad. What once was accepted is now seen as "gross". Saying people do it because they like how it feels or for aesthetic is ignoring the fact that society now sees it as "gross" and people do it because they feel it is what is acceptable and the norm. I am not saying people don't do it for the reasons you listed, but cultural/societal acceptance is a big one.

No, it's not the "end of a generation". It's merely people doing something that perhaps makes them feel more comfortable. Most young women I know shave because they hate the way the hair feels, and feel it's cleaner. Several guys I know at least manscape a little bit as well, for the same reason.
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Old 11-12-2011, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Middleboro, Massachusetts
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I should probably temper my position somewhat, Alyx. My ire stems from trends and even some of what followed your original post. There was a thread here recently expressing similar discontent over the pervasiveness of the trend of long hair on women. Clearly, there is plenty of room for personal tastes and opinions.

There are a lot of signs of the passing of familiar generations, and it certainly can be sad, but the signs are there because those generations actually are passing. Time marches on. Some things trend one way, then another. Other things change to never return to old ways (often for the better). I just think it's important to contextualize topics that often lead to posturing and disparagement. My shots were directed more generally and not at you.

Regarding my comment on experience and telling the difference, I can appreciate the humor, and I appreciate the opportunity to expand on that statement. I have seen plenty of shaved women in my adult life. I saw little girls when I was a little boy. I have also seen the random little girl running around naked to remind me of what children look like, and they look different in pretty much every way. Women's pores expand to accommodate hairs, shaved or not. Inner labia tend to protrude from the outer labia. The changing position of the hips tends to push the mons forward, and in thin women particularly the skeletal structure is visibly different in the genital region. The picture Ataraxia posted was of a particularly... tucked woman. She is very, very clearly a woman, but focusing specifically on the shaved areas, she is something of an exception. Either way, I can't think of any circumstance or proximity that would allow for me to be confused about her womanhood.

I agree with you completely on the current state of American hangups. We do the unhealthiest things to demonstrate to ourselves that we hold up to the moral and psychological standards of health set by a paranoid, prudish, and reactionary mob. I REALLY felt like I saw that happening on the first page of this thread.

I could be crazy though.
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Old 11-12-2011, 08:57 PM
 
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Why not just leave it at different people like different things? Who cares? Let's worry about the people who are harming the children, rather than how someone keeps their genitals landscaped.
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