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Old 02-07-2014, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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Close to A QUARTER of our citizens in NJ are obese and much more elsewhere. That's really bad news buddies. And among women its mostly uneducated ones who belong to this category. Better educated and Richer women are more likely to be fit in the US. Healthy living here is based upon how much you pay up for proper nutritious food and intensive daily exercise. However, these studies consider BMI alone. Putting into perspective BMI & BFP, it is a different story, and I would like someone to run the national data on this.
Keep in mind that BMI will overstate the problem because it is not a reliable metric. I'm overweight by BMI, yet anyone who looked at me and tried to follow my fitness routine for a week would probably agree that I am far from overweight and in pretty darn good shape. BMI takes hight and weight and spits out an arbitrary number. That is about the most asinine way of coming up with a metric, yet some people seem to swear by it, even though it fails to consider muscle mass, bone density and body fat percentage.

Now the trend you cited about uneducated and lower income people having higher rates of obesity will not change, but BMI will greatly overstate the degree to which the trend exists.

Here is a pretty interesting visual illustration that highlights the absurdity of using BMI:

Illustrated BMI Categories - a set on Flickr
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Old 02-07-2014, 10:35 PM
 
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Here is a pretty interesting visual illustration that highlights the absurdity of using BMI:

Illustrated BMI Categories - a set on Flickr
Maybe I'm overly cynical, but I'd say a good majority of those are correct. The "overweight" category and when people are super tall or super short are the only ones close to absurd that I saw. Everyone categorized as obese or morbidly obese pretty much looked that way to me, except one very tall male.
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Old 02-08-2014, 04:53 AM
 
Location: Northville, MI
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Keep in mind that BMI will overstate the problem because it is not a reliable metric. I'm overweight by BMI, yet anyone who looked at me and tried to follow my fitness routine for a week would probably agree that I am far from overweight and in pretty darn good shape. BMI takes hight and weight and spits out an arbitrary number. That is about the most asinine way of coming up with a metric, yet some people seem to swear by it, even though it fails to consider muscle mass, bone density and body fat percentage.

Now the trend you cited about uneducated and lower income people having higher rates of obesity will not change, but BMI will greatly overstate the degree to which the trend exists.

Here is a pretty interesting visual illustration that highlights the absurdity of using BMI:

Illustrated BMI Categories - a set on Flickr
True, which is why I bolded my last line mentioning that other body shape factors must be considered. I am overweight and admit the fact. My bmi is 25.5 on dot.
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Old 02-08-2014, 06:21 AM
 
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Many people possess disorders which affords additional poundage. The premise should be love yourself rather you're large or petite. Children a well adults need to first love themselves and strive for better health. Smaller pant size dosn't necessarily equate to a good bill of health.

If the plus size promotes better eating habits, activities, awareness, and anti-bullying(for those that deem it worthy)-I say give the true average (plus size) size woman/girl princess a shot.
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Old 02-08-2014, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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Maybe I'm overly cynical, but I'd say a good majority of those are correct. The "overweight" category and when people are super tall or super short are the only ones close to absurd that I saw. Everyone categorized as obese or morbidly obese pretty much looked that way to me, except one very tall male.
I took the liberty of bolding the key words in your statement. My point is you are basing it off of your impression of how a woman should look at a certain height and weight.
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Old 02-08-2014, 01:06 PM
 
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I could be completely wrong because I am just going on my own experiences, but I don't think little girls really give much thought to princesses sizes or even Barbies. It's mainly just when someone gets older they notice that the princesses are thin and pretty. I never gave it much thought until I was in High School, and I got an email forward that Barbies proportions were incorrect and no human woman could look like her if she were life sized. I think it's just someone gets older and they wonder if we're giving little kids the wrong idea about the ideal body type because as adults we feel insecure. I could be different though because I do feel insecure about my looks, but it's not from the media. It's because people tell me I am ugly. However, I do know girls and women do compare themselves to celebrities and models in magazines. I don't, but a friend of mine does.
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Old 02-08-2014, 01:32 PM
 
Location: My House
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Maybe I'm overly cynical, but I'd say a good majority of those are correct. The "overweight" category and when people are super tall or super short are the only ones close to absurd that I saw. Everyone categorized as obese or morbidly obese pretty much looked that way to me, except one very tall male.
I saw a chick that was "obese" who had arms like sticks... I dunno... I think it really does vary. I do agree with most of the "morbidly obese" ones in that they look to be "obese" and some appear to be "morbidly obese," but I would argue that some who look "underweight" look to be "normal" to me and some who look "normal" look a bit "underweight"... I think that's the point, though... you cannot just LOOK at a person and tell for sure if they're normal, overweight, or underweight, but it's pretty easy to tell that someone is likely to be underweight (at minimum) if they are "very underweight" on the BMI scale and it's a sure bet that someone is at least "obese" if they register as "morbidly obese" on the BMI scale. Other than that, we really just cannot tell on sight.
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Old 02-08-2014, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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I could be completely wrong because I am just going on my own experiences, but I don't think little girls really give much thought to princesses sizes or even Barbies. It's mainly just when someone gets older they notice that the princesses are thin and pretty. I never gave it much thought until I was in High School, and I got an email forward that Barbies proportions were incorrect and no human woman could look like her if she were life sized. I think it's just someone gets older and they wonder if we're giving little kids the wrong idea about the ideal body type because as adults we feel insecure. I could be different though because I do feel insecure about my looks, but it's not from the media. It's because people tell me I am ugly. However, I do know girls and women do compare themselves to celebrities and models in magazines. I don't, but a friend of mine does.
Wow, that's effing brutal. How do you respond to that?
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Old 02-08-2014, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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I could be completely wrong because I am just going on my own experiences, but I don't think little girls really give much thought to princesses sizes or even Barbies. It's mainly just when someone gets older they notice that the princesses are thin and pretty. I never gave it much thought until I was in High School, and I got an email forward that Barbies proportions were incorrect and no human woman could look like her if she were life sized. I think it's just someone gets older and they wonder if we're giving little kids the wrong idea about the ideal body type because as adults we feel insecure. I could be different though because I do feel insecure about my looks, but it's not from the media. It's because people tell me I am ugly. However, I do know girls and women do compare themselves to celebrities and models in magazines. I don't, but a friend of mine does.
I definitely noticed princesses didn't look much like me. Neither did any other characters in the books and toys and etc available. When your "looks" are considered non mainstream, you get the impression that you are not normal. Inclusiveness is important ...even in kids toys.

There is a great Ted talk indirectly related to this!

http://new.ted.com/talks/chimamanda_...a_single_story
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Old 02-08-2014, 05:30 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Ummm ... Dora the Explorer is "plus size." So is Meg Griffin from "Family Guy."
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