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Old 02-13-2014, 01:45 PM
 
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So how would someone watching this know if there was an "error" or not? How do you know if the guy is removing his hat because it is hot inside or if he is doing it for etiquette reasons? And if you can't tell it seems to make the whole idea a bid absurd.
The whole thing is absurd

That is kind of the point

I was responding specifically to the post that stated as a matter of eitquette someone removes their hat whenever entering any public building

So the posted assumption to their intent is right there - they are doing it to follow etiquette

However, if they actually knew the etiquette in question they wouldn't do it for the sake of etiquette because etiquette does not mandate that action

So if someone cares enough about hat etiquette to want to make sure they follow it and have the desire to remove their hats in a public building, should also care enough to know what the etiquette actual dictates ....... the fact that they would remove their hat as a matter of etiquette everytime they step into a public building shows that they clearly don't understand the very convention they are trying so hard to follow and apparently the convention they value
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Old 02-13-2014, 01:52 PM
 
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"This rule includes baseball caps and casual hats. Hats are to be removed when inside, except for places that are akin to public streets, e.g., lobbies, corridors, and elevators in public buildings. In public buildings, the elevator is considered a public area, and therefore an area where a gentleman may leave his hat on."



Thanks, I did read it. It is not mandated that they need to be removed. It says nothing about it being improper to remove it. That is very different. In fact, the last sentence more formally shows it is about allowing to keep it on, as opposed to mandating it be kept on, as they are talking about places that are akin to public areas. The rules are pretty clear when someone should be doing something, and that is not the case in this scenario.

It seems you may be misinterpreting this.
I touched on this in post 101

Here is the OP

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I remember years ago, men entered buildings and immediately removed their hats....... When I see guys wearing hats inside, even today, it looks odd.
The point it depending on circumstance it is perfectly acceptable to wear your hat inside under certain circumstances. There is no need to immediately remove your hat just because you entered a building - it's more nuanced than that.

While not hat etiquette, it is a long standing form of etiquette that it's a breach of etiquette to do something for the purpose of following a convention when the convention doesn't call for you to do it .... it shows a lack of understand and class, if you were to believe in such conventions or social forms from centuries passed
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Old 02-13-2014, 02:00 PM
 
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Let me try to simplify a little:

To follow hat etiquette is to understand and perform the conventions of hat etiquette
Hat etiquette dictates that one doesn't have to remove their hat in all public buildings
You can keep your hat on in a public building and still follow the conventions of hat etiquette

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John wants to follow & understand hat etiquette
As such, whenever John enters a public building he removes his hat immediately
Hat etiquette does not require John to remove his hat in all public buildings
John's actions do not show an understanding of hat etiquette
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Old 02-13-2014, 02:02 PM
 
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Old 02-13-2014, 02:18 PM
 
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....... the fact that they would remove their hat as a matter of etiquette everytime they step into a public building shows that they clearly don't understand the very convention they are trying so hard to follow and apparently the convention they value
That's true, but at least that person is trying to be polite, by following a rule when they needn't- being misinformed but well-meaning- as opposed to someone just being a lout and sitting at the dinner table with a hat on because they don't care.
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Old 02-13-2014, 03:46 PM
 
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The only question is (in my mind) : why would anyone NEED a hat (or as someone mentionned sunglasses) indoors ?

Etiquette (for me) is very simple : it means to adapt to the society you are with.

A few examples:

In France, you're polite when you keep your hands ON the table (the historical reason for that is that it used to show your host/maybe ennemy that you didn't hold any weapon), in the USA, you should put your hands on your lap.

In Morocco, believe it or not, it is polite to eat with your hands and burp after your meal, it shows that you've enjoyed it.

In Brazil and many other countries, it is polite to not finish everything on your plate. In other countries, finishing eveything on your plate means you didn't get enough and it's an insult to your host.

In the USA, recently, a NYC mayor was blasted for eating pizza with a fork and knife. In most of Europe, you'd be blasted for eating it with your hands.

In France (which of course I know best), you're polite to be a minimum of 1/4h late (and up to an hour for a dinner party, 2 hrs for a drink party) to a gathering whereas in the USA it'd be considered rude.

In the American south small cities, it'd be rude to not salute someone as you pass them, even unknown. In NYC, you'd be thought stupid to do so.

Etc, etc.

But wearing a hat inside? Except for illness like chemio, what purpose does it serve? Just be polite to the society you're sharing time with. So simple.

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Old 02-13-2014, 03:47 PM
 
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I think those who wear hats inside either have lice, or untreatable/untreated dandruff, or didn't wash their hair. Wearing hats in restaurants, theaters, libraries, churches and other places like that was always allowed to women only, to preserve the beauty of their outfits and prevent women's embarassement. In someone's home, if you are a guest, you have to take you hat off, woman or not you are, otherwise, it's insult.
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Old 02-13-2014, 03:57 PM
 
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it is insult?

why?
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Old 02-13-2014, 03:59 PM
 
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I think those who wear hats inside either have lice, or untreatable/untreated dandruff, or didn't wash their hair. Wearing hats in restaurants, theaters, libraries, churches and other places like that was always allowed to women only, to preserve the beauty of their outfits and prevent women's embarassement. In someone's home, if you are a guest, you have to take you hat off, woman or not you are, otherwise, it's insult.

Yes, because fashion totally escapes you.

Of course you know people do it for fashion reason, and their etiquette states it is ok, even the links on this thread show it is ok to wear inside. But you just feel the need to insult people in some strange quest to justify your stance.
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Old 02-13-2014, 04:09 PM
 
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What about some people keeping their hat on indoors just so they don't lose it (by taking it off, laying it down somewhere and forgetting to pick it up when they leave)? This has happened to me several times.
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