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Old 12-15-2007, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I absolutely love VS, even though I can't fit into anything..LOL. I browse their catalogs and get ideas for outfits, then recreate them. Plastic surgery isn't bad unless a person is addicted to it. I see no problem getting something fixed that you aren't happy with. I had my breast reduction/reconstruction in January and will have a tummy tuck, hopefully in 2009. I'm a huge supporter of it if it is done in good taste.
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Old 12-15-2007, 09:31 AM
 
Location: N. Central Ohio
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Default My $.02 is...

I've watched the show several times & did again this year. I got a little bored with it this year. I never noticed this before but when they introduced or featured a model they had a little "bio" re: each model. It reminded me of something you would see in a men's magazine. I thought that was a little cheezy.

I used to shop a VS but haven't in a few yrs. It seems their quality has gone down. Our local store caters mostly to what looks like a teen would want not even what a 20 something would want. I don't think they have anything for men any more.
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Old 12-15-2007, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Chi-Town soon to be NYC and eventually Ireland
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Hey... let's not forget about the naturally big-breasted! Do you think we're "unattractive" too?? Actually, I've long since boycotted VS for that exact reason - because they only cater to the skinny & fake-boobed, and have NOTHING for the real women! I'm not exactly huge everywhere else (a size 12), and can't find a thing at that store for my large chest... they practically laughed at me when I once asked if they carried my size (38ddd). As for the fashion show, I've only watched it once, and it was rather nauseating - but hey, if people like it, I'm not going to call for a boycott or anything.
No, no, no! I definitely did not mean to include naturally well-endowed women in that category. I meant the fact that their models are every bit as skinny as high fashion models that everyone freaks out about, the only difference being that many (most?) of them have implants. Round here we call that lool **** on a stick!
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Old 12-15-2007, 09:40 AM
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Location: Sebastian/ FL
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No, no, no! I definitely did not mean to include naturally well-endowed women in that category. I meant the fact that their models are every bit as skinny as high fashion models that everyone freaks out about, the only difference being that many (most?) of them have implants. Round here we call that lool **** on a stick!
LOL....funny
What other place, besides VS and Frederick's, offer a bit more elaborate, cute and exciting underwear fashion for girl's???
I can't think of any....
That's one of the reasons, I think, that gives VS such a huge market share and edge.
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Old 12-15-2007, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Round here we call that lool **** on a stick!
Lool What? LOL...you may have to message that one to me. My brain is running wild trying to figure this one out.
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Old 12-15-2007, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Chi-Town soon to be NYC and eventually Ireland
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I watched and I would have had no problem with my daughter wanted to watch it with me. I don't think there is anything wrong with showing off the human body.

Why don't they show men? VS doesn't sell things for men anymore, they did at one point many years ago but to my knowledge they don't anymore. Why you ask? Because they don't sell. Its just that simple.

If you don't like it, they don't watch it. VS will have MORE then enough people to keep them afloat.

AND for those of you that are sheltering your kids from something as tame as women in underwear, my guess is that they HAVE seen, ARE seeing things alot worse.
I think my post was pretty clear on the fact that what I object to is not the fact that VS sells women's underwear, or even the fact that the company wants to broadcast a fashion show for that matter.

What I (pretty clearly) object to is the fact that it is allowed to be broadcast on network television, and (I am willing to bet you my entire bank balance on this) the fact that you will never see a similar show with scantily clad men on TV. Even if there was a men's equivalent of VS. Why? because in this country we like our men respectable and clothed we like our women dumb and naked. (I could go off on a tangent abut the MPAA and how a double-standard pervades its perverse rating system, but that subject alone would take up pages).

It's the double-standard and the inescapability of the objectification of women in this country that leaves a sour taste in my mouth and in the mouths of plenty of other people who have bothered to think critically about this subject.



VS has been the target of a number of petitions and boycotts throughout the years, so my sentiment is hardly unique. And as for the insinuation that my problem is with "women in their underwear" I will again suggest that you go back and reread my post. The fact that kids have seen "worse" doesn't mean we shoul give up and expose them to things that we know are harmful. Exposure to fashion magazines and ad campaigns like VS's are quite well-known to have a negative impact on girls and women (the research is a mouse click away), and people who fool themselves into thinking that they're 'oh so European' when they say things like there's 'nothing wrong' with showing off the human body' have confused exploitation like VS with the legitimately healthy and accepting attitude many Europeans have.

So to sum up...while I would be perfectly willing to head off to a nudist resort with my boyfriend (and have in fact pestered him to do so), I will not be supporting a company that worsens women's already dangerously low self-esteem, and cheapens our struggle to be taken seriously in everyday life.

For anyone else interested in this issue, I cannot recommend Ariel Levy's "Female Chauvanist Pigs" highly enough. I think we'd have a much healthier generation of young women if more moms read this book with their daughters rather than curling up together on the sofa for a night of shiny, happy exploitation.

Just my $0.02
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Old 12-15-2007, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Chi-Town soon to be NYC and eventually Ireland
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LOL....funny
What other place, besides VS and Frederick's, offer a bit more elaborate, cute and exciting underwear fashion for girl's???
I can't think of any....
That's one of the reasons, I think, that gives VS such a huge market share and edge.
I know, VS has a huge market share because they're ubiquitous and have huge money for advertising. I was actually a big fan about 15-16 years ago, but they long since lost me with the way they ran their ad campaigns.

I think Fredericks has some really cute, cute stuff and honestly I think they're quality is about on par with VS. I have been hankering for some La Perla or Agent Provocateur, but they're expensive!

I wish I knew of a lower-priced alternative, but sadly I think VS may be it for cute, cheaper lingerie.
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Old 12-15-2007, 03:51 PM
 
Location: USA
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I think a lot of their models look like guys. Just my opinion...but they look like big lanky guys with breast implants and long hair. Tranny like.
Not soft and feminine.
There are many other nice lingerie sites like Bare Necessities.
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Old 12-16-2007, 05:06 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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(I am willing to bet you my entire bank balance on this) the fact that you will never see a similar show with scantily clad men on TV. Even if there was a men's equivalent of VS. Why? because in this country we like our men respectable and clothed we like our women dumb and naked.

It's the double-standard and the inescapability of the objectification of women in this country that leaves a sour taste in my mouth and in the mouths of plenty of other people who have bothered to think critically about this subject.

So to sum up...while I would be perfectly willing to head off to a nudist resort with my boyfriend (and have in fact pestered him to do so), I will not be supporting a company that worsens women's already dangerously low self-esteem, and cheapens our struggle to be taken seriously in everyday life.



I frankly can't see how showing beautiful women in their underwear is objectifying women. I simply don't see it. Those women were in most cases wearing MORE then women do on the beach or at the pool.

As for us preferring our men respectable??? WELL, if women of the US are buying that then they are dumber then I thought. Men may not be running about on the stage in their scivies but they are the MAIN supporter of real objectifying sources like porn, phone sex lines, internet porn, dirty magazines, are MORE likely to endulge in an affair within a commited relationship, I could go on but I won't. Just how respectable is that?

A woman can be gorgeous, sexy, busty and everything else and not be objectified. These models aren't being taken advantage of and anyone of our daughters would be LUCKY to grow up with such natural beauty AND gain a position such as theirs.

No matter how seriously a woman wants to be taken, it can not be denied that women are sexual beings as well and there is nothing wrong with showing it off.
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Old 12-18-2007, 07:05 AM
 
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Lol. I hate to say it, but the "fashion show" was one of the reasons I started boycotting VS, the other big problem being their advertising campaigns in general. I am still in shock that they allow this to be broadcast on network TV. I would have *much* less of an issue with it if they "shared the wealth" so to speak, and provided some eye candy for female viewers as well. But I think we all know how the old male network heads and all-important advertising execs would feel about a bunch of hot, buff, young 25 year old studs prancing around in tiny little underwear. They would simply never allow it.

I guess I would not be surprised to learn that the trend in VS is away from the big breasts and toward more attractively proportioned women. The balloon sized jugs became popular in the late nineties and seem to have died out over the past 4-5 years or so. Glad to hear it. Maybe we'll save the next generation of young women from going under the knife for an unhealthy, expensive, not to mention unattractive physique!
How about those Fruit Of The Loom Guys? I have seen commercials where they prance around in their briefs!!! Shouldn't get too uptight about Victoria's Secret lingerie as their ads are not only aimed at men...they are aimed at women wanting to look sexy for their men.

As a man who enjoys looking at the female form I too am against all these boob jobs, nip tucks, etc as they reflect vanity and ego on the part of those having these procedures done. Will women ever learn that natural is sexy and touch ups are plastic and only attract young, inexperienced guys who are driven mainly by their hormones...and old guys trying to re live their teen days?

My two cents...don't take it too seriously
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