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Old 05-22-2014, 10:13 PM
 
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4. They're too hot in the summer.
And in L.A., every day of the year.
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Old 05-22-2014, 11:49 PM
 
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Men have the uncanny ability to make any sort of clothing look bad, even a suit. If anything is "off" with more formal clothing the whole outfit looks bad. There is a lot more leeway with nice casual wear.

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Old 05-23-2014, 12:00 AM
 
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There probably is no advantage in wearing a suit to a beach.
Interesting that this was mentioned, as I hear in Japan, men actually would wear suits and women similar business attire while at an amusement park. Then they moved to the US and did the same thing at a Six Flags or Disney World They sure stood out all right.

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However, suppose you're going out to dine at a restaurant. What do you think would likely make a better impression on the people serving your table - wearing a suit and tie, or a wearing a t-shirt and shorts?

If being formally dressed gets you superior service and attention, then that makes for a better dining experience, right? Based on your appearance and perceived socioeconomic status, the waiting staff may think you will likely tip them more as well.
Tipping them gives them the better impression. As some upper class folk have never worked the service industry, they can be notoriously poor tippers vs. someone in middle class who does NOT wear a suit who's worked in their shoes before.

If a job was paying me enough to dry clean my suit once every 3 months, then I'd go for it. Otherwise, business casual is much easier to maintain.
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Old 05-23-2014, 01:01 AM
 
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Interesting that this was mentioned, as I hear in Japan, men actually would wear suits and women similar business attire while at an amusement park. Then they moved to the US and did the same thing at a Six Flags or Disney World They sure stood out all right.


Tipping them gives them the better impression. As some upper class folk have never worked the service industry, they can be notoriously poor tippers vs. someone in middle class who does NOT wear a suit who's worked in their shoes before.

If a job was paying me enough to dry clean my suit once every 3 months, then I'd go for it. Otherwise, business casual is much easier to maintain.
I used to live in Japan. Japanese people do not wear suits to the amusement park. The Japanese are very fashion conscious and can be found wearing cool outfits in many different styles, but often wear terrible, cheap polyester suits to work.
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Old 05-23-2014, 01:10 AM
 
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Because not many males are teaching boys to be men because Times are changing. Can't teach whatca don't know. Just listen to the music of today and the way people dance. Today it's grinding when dancing close when it used to be slow and romantic for generations.



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Old 05-23-2014, 01:37 AM
 
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I prefer business casual to formal business attire, mainly because I despise wearing a tie- sounds trivial, but I HAD to wear one when younger, and usually the chaffing of the shirt on the neck was very uncomfortable to say the least-it was a working environment, where ties shouldn't even have been mandatory

when their is a business event coming in the future, that's what we all ask, do we have to wear a tie
and yeah,, you can get shirts with larger necks, tie extenders and all, but it is still stuffy and chaffs

also wearing a suit,, makes you look like someone that would rather look neater than get his hands dirty-depending on the job/environment- you can actually lose respect wearing a suit
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Old 05-23-2014, 07:33 AM
 
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Men have the uncanny ability to make any sort of clothing look bad, even a suit. If anything is "off" with more formal clothing the whole outfit looks bad. There is a lot more leeway with nice casual wear.
Because men today lack style.

I've only been wearing them for work for a few months, and I can wear them better then guys 10-15 years older, who've been wearing them for years. They're usually cheap black suits, not fitted, with a white shirt and boring tie.

But, we also live in a society where it isn't uncommon to see people out in cheesy sweatpants or pajamas.

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also wearing a suit,, makes you look like someone that would rather look neater than get his hands dirty-depending on the job/environment- you can actually lose respect wearing a suit
I disagree. You're either manly or you're not, doesn't matter what you're wearing.
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Old 05-23-2014, 07:51 AM
 
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There's a few reasons.

First they're hot and uncomfortable. If any of us women have worn suits similar to a man's style, you'll know what I mean. Women have the advantage of being able to show a lot more skin and be far more comfortable and still be business formal - or at least business casual (well, except for the shoes).

Second, while it may make a man look important and authoratative, it also makes them appear unapproachable and distant. I've read various studies that has shown that employees in suits are often a "turn-off" to the general public because men in suits appear to be "too busy" or "too important" to help a customer or to hear a complaint. So they avoid the suits and try to find someone more at their "level."

Some schools have also relaxed their dress code because teachers in suits - looking authoritative - were a detriment in reaching teens who can be naturally rebellious and combative with authority.

Finally, as someone else said, they are high maintenance and a well-fitting suit can be expensive. Most jobs today simply do not pay enough for men to own and maintain an extensive wardrobe of suits (and who wants to wear the same suit twice in one work week?)

I remember working for Verizon as a directory assistance operator. Morale was in the toilet, so they dredged up this campaign trying to convince us that we were all professionals - i.e. white collar (we weren't). One development of this campaign was the suggestion that a business formal dress code be enforced - and that went over like a lead balloon. Women's suits are just as much of a hassle and as expensive as a man's.

Besides, as I pointed out to our union rep - wearing a suit to work while making $5.95/hour didn't make me feel like a professional - it made me feel like a little girl playing dress-up with my mommy's clothes. In addition, as another person said, was the company going to buy us all a week's worth of suits? Because we sure as hell couldn't afford to buy even ONE suit when our pay had us struggling just to make rent.

And this is becoming more common as wages stagnate and finding a good job becomes ever more difficult. A lot of younger men (and women) will have one or two suits for funerals and other special occasions, and that's it. They're just too expensive to buy and dry clean all the time.
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Old 05-23-2014, 08:12 AM
 
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It doesn't make men look more important or authoritative to me. It makes them look like drones of each other. Corporate drones. The tie? Yeah, that's actually a corporate noose. I have to wear the suit/the combo for my job.. I don't like it at all.
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Old 05-23-2014, 08:57 AM
 
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Personally, I don't trust or will do business with people who wear a suit. I've always felt they were looking out for their interests before mine and used that suit as a symbol that they thought that they knew more then I did without even engaging me in conversation to see what my educational background was.
It just made for a more complex business transaction as we always were doing that mental dance which prevented any forward progress.
I can see why so much serious business is done on a golf course or in a country club.
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