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Old 07-14-2014, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Canada (I've lived in 5 different provinces)
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A Paris Hilton or Karolina Kurkova like nose.
Long, skinny and unnatural looking, got it, thanks
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Old 07-14-2014, 09:54 PM
 
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I have been around the block enough to notice the trend in your previous posts, and your use of the term monkey lips, which everyone in this thread is well aware of when this is used as a euphemism. So yes, I think that would be a derogatory phrase. But I understand, from your point of view "black women" are always calling you out on your offensive posts so we must be insecure. I have some theories on where your issues stem from, but they are off topic for the thread.

I am well aware colorism is common through out the world, and it coincides pretty closely with places that were colonized. Colorism does play out differently in East Asian cultures, since skin tone is analogous to ruling class vs worker class. South Asian, Latin and the African diasporas have more in common with their reasoning behind colorism. But it is all related to conditioning in western societies.

We don't have a broad definition of femininity in the western world. Although this thread is about facial features, analyzing personality traits defined as femme would uncover similarities to the dynamic of colorism.
Uh, first off the monkey lips thing was referring to big lips with bright lipstick, like the current orange trend. And a guy friend used that term. I don't have big lips, therefore I don't really care how big lips are perceived. But I notice a lot of girls who do wear bright lipstick (like orange since it is the trend now) apply it in a very sloppy way. It only make the lips look bigger.

And I have no issues, and you have no way of even analyzing where any issues would stem from if I did have any since I've already stated i'm not part white. Btw, is it not ironic how y'all are the only ones "calling" me out? No one else is defending y'all? Anyway, off topic.

And yes, there are certain traits that are viewed as feminine. Ask men who like/prefer blonde women or Asian women why they like them and they'll tell you they associate their features with femininity.

It's not just skin color, but nose, lips, cheekbones, wide eyes--all things women of all races can have, just in slightly different variations.

And yes, many American men do complain that American women are not feminine, so yes, there is more to femininity. But the OP is asking this for a reason. Because certain features are seen as feminine and plant them on a dude and the guy is seen as metro or effeminate
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Old 07-14-2014, 09:55 PM
 
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I have always been told I have a feminine face too much to present as male... I think mainly it's my lower half of my face. I have full lips like Naomi Campbell like the average well endowed black girl high cheekbones and a smaller nose like Angelina jolie of old but slimmer. I was was wondering what I could do to like make my features less prominent? I have watched yt videos on how to do my make up to look more like a dude. And some of it works but my cheekbones and lips and nose still give the idea of a girl. I have thick eyebrows and really small green eyes something similar to taylor swift or renee zellwegger. So I have some more masculine features but I dunno what to do with the rest of my face? Especially my lips how can one minimize the size of their lips?
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Old 07-14-2014, 11:06 PM
 
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The study wasn't debunked, it was simply pulled out/taken down because it offended some.

I never once stated these are my ideals of beauty (aside from saying I think Gisele Bundchen is masculine and has a horseface).

Sure, beauty is subjective but to act as though there are no ideals of beauty is naive.

And while tan skin is cool in the west, everywhere else (including in the black American and Latin American communities) bleaching is VERY common.

But we're talking about the face, not body proportions.

But I find it odd that you didn't point out his/her/whatevers assertion that white women are more masculine. I guess people only pick out generalizations when they don't benefit When something said makes the minority of people feel better about themselves they ignore it I suppose.
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I never said anything about white women until you eluded stuff about other races. This thread is not about race leave it alone.

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Old 07-14-2014, 11:20 PM
 
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I have been around the block enough to notice the trend in your previous posts, and your use of the term monkey lips, which everyone in this thread is well aware of when this is used as a euphemism. So yes, I think that would be a derogatory phrase. But I understand, from your point of view "black women" are always calling you out on your offensive posts so we must be insecure. I have some theories on where your issues stem from, but they are off topic for the thread.

I am well aware colorism is common through out the world, and it coincides pretty closely with places that were colonized. Colorism does play out differently in East Asian cultures, since skin tone is analogous to ruling class vs worker class. South Asian, Latin and the African diasporas have more in common with their reasoning behind colorism. But it is all related to conditioning in western societies.

We don't have a broad definition of femininity in the western world. Although this thread is about facial features, analyzing personality traits defined as femme would uncover similarities to the dynamic of colorism.
That's not true I don't agree with what he said either and I am not a black woman. I think anyone can see that what he said was unacceptable. If I would've known he does that normally I'd have ignored him.
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Old 07-14-2014, 11:33 PM
 
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Uh, first off the monkey lips thing was referring to big lips with bright lipstick, like the current orange trend. And a guy friend used that term. I don't have big lips, therefore I don't really care how big lips are perceived. But I notice a lot of girls who do wear bright lipstick (like orange since it is the trend now) apply it in a very sloppy way. It only make the lips look bigger.

And I have no issues, and you have no way of even analyzing where any issues would stem from if I did have any since I've already stated i'm not part white. Btw, is it not ironic how y'all are the only ones "calling" me out? No one else is defending y'all? Anyway, off topic.
That's offensive and pretty sure you know that. I highly doubt anyone said that besides you.

Actually I'm white and addressed your posts first because it was imo insensitive. So no it's not that anyone is insecure or is black and therefore complaining. You're just being insensitive. Anybody can see that.

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Old 07-14-2014, 11:35 PM
 
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Long, skinny and unnatural looking, got it, thanks
no it's anything that dips down.
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Old 07-15-2014, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Encino, CA
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What features make a feminine face?
Usually a face that is on a woman is feminine. Its very very difficult to say what features make a feminine face, but its very easy to say what features make a woman's face look masculine.
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Old 07-15-2014, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Canada (I've lived in 5 different provinces)
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no it's anything that dips down.
Well I couldn't tell that from the examples given
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Old 07-17-2014, 12:11 AM
 
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Demi Moore has masculine features and still looks feminine.
So does Michelle Rodriguez,Jennifer Anniston, basically all fashion models,Giselle, Eva Mendes,
Ashwarya Rai,Maria Shriver.

In other words,masculine faces on females are "in".
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