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When I (briefly) lived in the Bay Area it was hard to tell who was a software engineer and who was a panhandler from a tent. IMHO that's taking the casual trend a bit far.
Pretty much. But now younger engineers have expensive sneakers. And also there are a lot more easy coast people in tech, particularly in sales so a few more people have button does these days which is an improvement.
But the company hoodie, jeans, free t-shirt and sneakers uniform is a drag.
If you want to dress nice then go ahead. I work with some sloppy dressers as well but I like to take pride in my look also. I have gotten comments before but I ignore those people. If they want to look like a bum on the street they can go right ahead.
Nowadays when I go to the bank, DMV, or post office all the employees look like they just rolled out of bed. Sloppy hair, no makeup (women) and ill fitting casual clothing. It's a rarity to see anyone looking businesslike.
I don't mind "jean Friday" when people look put together and neat.
I am replying to this particular post because of the complaints about public serving employees looking sloppy. Most of these people do not make enough money to dress in what we might characterize as a business like fashion. I know because I've been there. I was required for years to look "professional" on a pittance of a salary.
I also think that it is a choice of women whether to wear makeup. I do not think it is awful if women do not wear makeup. This is a choice.
On the sloppy hair, yeah I get it. Newer ways of wearing hair do look sloppy to older folks. And I admit I don't like looking at a rat's nest on someone else's head. But if these jobs paid more money, I think workers would be able to afford to look better. Remember that the women who is dealing with you across a counter might have had to roll out of bed, get breakfast for her kiddos, and then take them to school or sitter, before coming in to work at 8 am for a less than stellar wage. I think we need to cut people a little slack; we often do not take into account their circumstances.
On the general idea about dressing casually, yes, the move is toward more all purpose clothing that can be worn in more situations. I watched a group eat lunch recently that obviously had all come from the same office. The clothes were casual, but everyone looked well groomed. Where I noticed they had spent money, was on their feet. The men, especially, were wearing expensive, though casual, shoes. But the rest of their clothing could have come from Kohls or Macy's.
I do not mind jeans. I wear jeans myself all winter long. I do wish that guys would wash their jeans when they get knee sprung, but that is a personal quibble.
Couldn't care less about makeup or what others wear.
What I do care is the negative attitude (like the above post) towards people who do make an effort. The downward pressure to dress down.
It sounds like you missed her point. She was saying that dress should be appropriate to the job; there should be no separate dress rules for women just because they're women. Nobody asks electricians, male or female, to wear dresses and heels on the job. Why should they require that of the engineers who take care of the business' computers? Were her male colleagues required to wear suits and ties? Of course not.
To have a class in "professionalism for women" with no such class for men is pretty clearly discriminatory. I wonder if HR was on board with that. Honestly, it sounds like a workplace that fetishizes women.
Last edited by Ruth4Truth; 07-21-2017 at 12:25 PM..
Most definitely - especially since my social circle is mostly comprised of people in my age group ten years one way or the other (40s through 60s) and we tend to look better in loungewear than in lingerie.
I've never noticed the "pressure" or making fun of someone that dresses well.
Unless, your talking about someone in a suit and tie in a khakis/dress shirt office.
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