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I believe they certainly did in the courts of kings. The ladies-in-waiting would all be hanging out with their Queen, and I'm sure cattiness came up over fashion back then.
I can just imagine how the French court ladies snarked about each other behind their fans.
Of course, not every woman is like that, but just as there are some women today that will criticise another woman's appearance, clothes, makeup etc. do you think even way back in time say ancient rome, or medieval times for instance even as heavily oppressed as women were they still criticised each other for clothes, hair, makeup, jewelry, etc. as some women do today?
Absolutely. Human nature hasn't changed. Again though not all women are like that.
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i have no doubt women thru the ages have been catty, backstabbing, hypercritical
Sad but true for some.
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It always seemed to me that such shallow behavior was in part related to intelligence, or lack there of. And feelings of insecurity, for sure.
In some cases but even highly intelligent women can be catty. Intelligent women can also be jealous over another woman's looks. But I do agree with being secure. If you are happy and secure with who you are then you don't care what others wear. In my case I may think "I" would never wear that but that is for my own reasons. That does not also mean I won't say to my husband "what was she thinking" when she looked in the mirror but that is just an observation of taste
So what? In ancient rome you think some woman saw another woman and said "Those earrings don't go with that toga!" LOL!
Not so much in terms of fashion, but in ancient times, certain colors, fabrics, jewelry were associated with your station in life and with your loyalty to the gods or religion. This certainly applied in more recent history with native people.
In modern times, I think men judge women with their overall appearance, but really don't care about the labels they wear or individual fashion pieces. It's how the women put these things together to make a holistic impression that makes the imprint on a man. Women, however, nitpick over the individual items that the women have selected to wear or for external decoration. Women judge other women on their "choices" and if these choices agree with their own sensibilities or subjective preferences. "Bad" or different choices definitely affects the woman's negative impression of the other woman. No many how many glass ceilings are broken or how financially independent women become, this will never change.
It's also a practice of intimidation, which is adaptive and evolutionary.
I'm sure there were plenty of insecure, jealous/and or shallow individuals in the past. I suspect in the past there were more reasons for it than we have now.
It can turn into a form of bullying, yes. I don't know if I would agree that cattiness is part of human evolution. That the impetus for security, by any means necessary, is part of adaptation--- makes a lot of sense.
Hopefully now that women have increased power over their own lives in most cultures, and more opportunities for education and communication, common sense and introspection can win over jealousy and insecurity.
I'm sure there were plenty of insecure, jealous/and or shallow individuals in the past. I suspect in the past there were more reasons for it than we have now.
It can turn into a form of bullying, yes. I don't know if I would agree that cattiness is part of human evolution. That the impetus for security, by any means necessary, is part of adaptation--- makes a lot of sense.
Oh, yeah...it is a powerful tool in establishing social order. In various eras, this could be the key in making financially advantageous matches for marriage and securing economic wellbeing for both one's self and one's family. In eras where women had limited financial capital, social capital was a powerful mechanism of even more import.
Absolutely. Human nature hasn't changed. Again though not all women are like that.
Sad but true for some.
In some cases but even highly intelligent women can be catty. Intelligent women can also be jealous over another woman's looks. But I do agree with being secure. If you are happy and secure with who you are then you don't care what others wear. In my case I may think "I" would never wear that but that is for my own reasons. That does not also mean I won't say to my husband "what was she thinking" when she looked in the mirror but that is just an observation of taste
Lol. This is what cracks me up, the notion that just because something is "in style," you must wear it, or vice versa. How lame is that?! You must wear this because I say so, otherwise you're not in fashion. It's ridiculous. If I see something I like that's trendy, yeah, I'll wear it. Because I like it. Not because someone says I should. If it's trendy and yet I find it hideous, yeah, no, I'm not going to wear it.
I bet I'm not the only one who has put something on for the day, and had reservations while wearing it. It doesn't happen often, but sometimes, I'll put on an outfit...see myself in the mirror, and think that it looks iffy.
And then as the day progresses, I am less and less thrilled with what I have on.
I bet I'm not the only one who has put something on for the day, and had reservations while wearing it. It doesn't happen often, but sometimes, I'll put on an outfit...see myself in the mirror, and think that it looks iffy.
And then as the day progresses, I am less and less thrilled with what I have on.
Ha, ha...I'm sure I have many of those but at the time I thought I looked great All I have to do is look at some of my pictures from my school years.
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That does not also mean I won't say to my husband "what was she thinking" when she looked in the mirror
but that is just an observation of taste
All I have to do is look at some of my pictures from my school years.
