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Old 12-14-2018, 07:12 PM
 
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Sorry, anything linked to a PETA page automatically gets ignored by me.
Well, whether you get your message from PETA or not, it's intuitively true.

Any company who claims to be "cruelty free" is relying on an ignorant public who doesn't know the products HAVE been tested, just not by the company who is relying on another company to have done their dirty work.

The FDA won't allow those products to be sold without being tested.

It's a bit like meat eaters who boast they don't slaughter animals.

Incredibly disingenuous of the companies who claim to be "cruelty free". No company WANTS to test on animals - but if they are the first using an ingredient that hasn't been used before, they have no choice but to bear that cost and test them.
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Old Yesterday, 02:15 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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That's what Estee Lauder wrote back to me (I think it was Estee anyway). Along the lines of . . well we DON'T want to test and we DON'T test in the US but we have to in some foreign countries.


At one time I had a list of cruelty-free companies and I hope it's actually correct.



Lame.


In this day and age - testing on animals or humans really isn't necessary - there are other options.
This I agree with....
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Old Yesterday, 03:42 AM
 
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Most of these companies claim they dont test on animals when they pay other companies to do it for them.. its horrible and shouldnt still be happening... https://www.peta2.com/news/avon-animal-testing/
What is the alternative? Do we test on humans?

This subject always makes me wonder how do we figure out if something is safe to use?
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Old Yesterday, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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I do my best to buy cruelty free products.
Any cosmetic sold in China will be tested on animals (by a lab in china) because it's the law there I believe.
Yes, mainland China and Brazil are two countries that require animal testing on products before being sold there.
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Old Yesterday, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Well, whether you get your message from PETA or not, it's intuitively true.

Any company who claims to be "cruelty free" is relying on an ignorant public who doesn't know the products HAVE been tested, just not by the company who is relying on another company to have done their dirty work.

The FDA won't allow those products to be sold without being tested.

It's a bit like meat eaters who boast they don't slaughter animals.

Incredibly disingenuous of the companies who claim to be "cruelty free". No company WANTS to test on animals - but if they are the first using an ingredient that hasn't been used before, they have no choice but to bear that cost and test them.
The cosmetic company I work for does not test products or ingredients on animals. All testing is done on human panels. There are other companies who do that as well.

It is not necessary to continually test ingredients that have already been tested in the past. Once an ingredient has a known effect, it is generally accepted and no further testing is needed for that particular ingredient.
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Old Yesterday, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Smile Whew

Just looked up the one I buy - Cruelty free per the website.

Orlane, Inc.
This company is cruelty-free! It does NOT test on animals.
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Old Today, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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What is the alternative? Do we test on humans?

This subject always makes me wonder how do we figure out if something is safe to use?
animals react differently to humans to different things so how can this be of any use in determining whats ok for us to use..Im sure they could pay for volunteers to help with experiments, at least they would have a choice...
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Old Today, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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I just bought an AVON.. concealer and no way will I use it , its going in the bin..not only is the smell strong with whatever but when I put my glasses on to read the tiny print , its all in a foreign language..
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