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Old 03-14-2019, 08:47 AM
 
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Originally Posted by LLCNYC View Post
thanks for speaking for women & sharing with us your preferences...and now you're insulting thin women. Lol.

And "as long as they are staying classy" and "models".

There's a difference from "meat on the bones" than 500 lbs.
Are there 500 lb models on ads in Target?

 
Old 03-14-2019, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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*sigh*
Fat, thin, tall, short. The discussion is clothing ads, not what men find appealing.

Hard as it may be to comprehend, women are more than just eye candy for men. We have individual personalities, responsibilities, weaknesses, lives and jobs. Most of us just want to go about our business without having to justify our existence to strangers.
 
Old 03-14-2019, 09:10 AM
 
Location: all over the place (figuratively)
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I agree with this. Folks are extremely judgemental about people struggling with obesity and angry that their health issues cost us money. It is true, it does cost the health system money and we pay it, but is allowing them no options going to fix this? What about the texters and drivers that harm others, alcoholics and crack addicts that destroy themselves and their families and friends and cost the prison/medical system our tax dollars. No one seems to care that they can freely and easily buy attractive clothes and cosmetics.

The obese person is painfully aware of their condition. I would wager that an attractive choice of fashionable clothes rather than dressing them in sacks and mu mus would give them a chance to see themselves as an attractive person, inspiring them to make the change to be even better rather than just leaving them with the option of being an outcast and keeping them down.
Too much of that is a mix of ranting and unfounded speculation. There's a dangerous confounding of "fashionable clothes" with skimpy clothes. Overweight people rarely look attractive to most onlookers in skimpy clothes, but sometimes they can look nice enough in other types of dress, and that's how they and people who see them can feel better about their size without the lie of contentment (if in obese territory).
 
Old 03-14-2019, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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Too much of that is a mix of ranting and unfounded speculation. There's a dangerous confounding of "fashionable clothes" with skimpy clothes. Overweight people rarely look attractive to most onlookers in skimpy clothes, but sometimes they can look nice enough in other types of dress, and that's how they and people who see them can feel better about their size without the lie of contentment (if in obese territory).
Obese people have the same right to dress inappropriately or unattractively as anyone else.

It's not about you.

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Old 03-14-2019, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Fredericksburg, VA
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There are many that are close...

The model in this pic is Tess Holliday. She's 5'5 and about 280-290 pounds. Nowhere close to 600.

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Oh. You are privy to their weight? :hand: I disagree. I think that what I wrote is what the OP was talking about. You may disagree, but do not correct me.

When it comes to me, you just cannot resist correction, confrontation, or making oppositional posts. I learned that years ago, which is why I have you on my "ignore" list. Tonight, I had a feeling that your post was in response to something I said, so I took a peek.

Sadly some things never change.

I do not pretend to know the exact weight of morbidly obese models. Or emaciated ones. When I wrote "600 lbs", I think that most readers knew that I was using a number to project picture. I was using the number imagistically, if you will, and not in a concrete fashion. It was an abstract number, used to convey a mental picture...

I get what you're saying about using "600 pounds" but hyperbole like that undermines a lot of other points you make. At the 600 pound range you're not talking about plus size models you are talking about extreme niche porn.


In answer to the OP's question, no it does not bother me to see plus size models. Like others have posted, it makes absolutely no sense to use skinny girls to model plus size women's clothing. If anything, I get annoyed that even plus size models are not a realistic representation of those consumers who are looking for plus size clothing. My wife is a plus size woman and one of her biggest recurring frustrations with most plus size lines is the assumption that if a woman has a waist size above a certain number she must also be over 5'10. My wife is 5'4 and not built like many plus size models. Her body is closer to Tess Holliday's (pictured in the post quoted above/post #65 of this thread) than Ashley Graham, who is/was one of Layne Bryant's most popular models. It's harder for her to find plus size clothing than a woman with a few more inches of height.


Some of the replies on this thread reinforce what many of us already know: that plus size women are the lowest of the low. Our society has come to accept just about anything BUT plus size women. Their low social value is evidenced by it still being acceptable in many circles to make them the punchline of a joke, or openly demonstrate contempt for them. Case in point: just a couple weeks ago I was taking my wife out for lunch. A gay couple was sitting near where we were standing in line and one guy said "to his partner" (I used quotes because it was obvious he wanted us to hear him) something to the tune of "I just don't see why a guy would want to put his D in a woman that fat." He was looking right at us both as he spoke and his partner chimed right in. Easy for them to do because by and large same sex couples have been accepted as mainstream for several years now. But you'd think a group that not too long ago was ostracized by many would be able to show a little empathy for a group that still is ostracized.


I guess that's asking too much.
 
Old 03-14-2019, 10:29 AM
 
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Target is trying to sell clothes. People of all sizes need clothes. What's the problem?

Should people larger than size 4 high away from life like a dirty secret? Are models used just to show available products or are they meant to be aspirational examples?

There's nothing wrong with these ads. I live in the real world where people come in all sizes. Admitting to reality is not promotion of any lifestyle or personal habits.
These ads say it is ok to be fat. It is not ok. It's extremely unhealthy. It kills people.


if we're going to show fat people in ads, why don't we just show people smoking or doing drugs or drinking?


All these things are unhealthy and we should not be promoting them.
 
Old 03-14-2019, 10:30 AM
 
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In your world, do people come in all sizes? Are people over a certain size supposed to hide and not be seen in public?

Large people are not new. People in ads should reflect reality. It's not promotion of anything.
it's promoting an unhealthy lifestyle.
 
Old 03-14-2019, 10:31 AM
 
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Exactly. But imagine if you couldn't do that, because all the models wearing the clothes in clothing ads wore a size 18W or higher. Would those ads inspire you to go shopping? Would you be willing to order online the same item in a Misses size 8 even though the model was wearing a Women's size 22? Of course not! But that situation (in reverse) was what larger people (especially heavy women) faced when shopping for clothing until very recently.

What's happened is that the clothing industry has realized that they will sell more clothing if they include a wider range of body sizes in their ads. It's nothing more sinister than that.
This is so true. Another reason to see the clothes on a model more your size is because many so called "plus" sizes are just up sized small sizes and are really not tailored to your body. They look like tents making one look much larger than you are or like some old lady.

On another note, that model that someone said was 400lbs has no clue what 400lbs looks like. That model is below 250, I can't say for sure because she is probably tall and there is a lot of photo shopping done in ads. This is Tess Holiday, a 280 lb. model
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpJMvH2CZY4. 400 lbs. even on a tall woman is extremely obese and I personally no of no model who is above 300 lbs. I am not saying there aren't any, because there probably is for those magazines that cater to men with strange tastes but not in the fashion world.

Edited to add that I am not saying that this model shouldn't try to lose weight because she should. Not to get skinny skinny but she needs to lose at least 80 - 100 lbs to be sure that her health is good in the future.
 
Old 03-14-2019, 10:34 AM
 
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I think they are "over correcting" a situation, and I tend to agree.

Most women are not 5'11 and wear a size 0. Similarly, most women are not 5'11 and a size 22.
Maybe I should stop with most women are not 5'11.

They have gone from one extreme to another.

I have nothing at all against tall or heavy models, but some sites on the internet show ONLY these body types and the overweight ones are not just slightly or moderately overweight, they are morbidly obese.

What about average women at their correct, healthy weight? I can no more tell how something will look on me when the model is taller and skinnier than average, or tall and obese.

Do women who are between 5'2 and 5'6 just have to figure it out? Imagine?

I am 5'3" and 107. I take a 2 or a 4 or usually XS. I have long legs for my height and a shorter torso. I guess I am still a junior, but junior clothes would look silly on me.
I take regular sizes in skirts and jeans, and petites in tops and outer wear. It's mainly the arm holes and the torso length.

If they can show a preponderance of morbidly obese models, I am sure that we can also show some average, fit models.

The sites I look at are Modcloth.com and Express. Modcloth is only online and sells retro classic clothes as well as quirky vintage styles.

Express is also in the mall. I like their clothes but they sell very few petite tops in the brick and mortar store, although I was able to score a great XS petite winter jacket in the store.

At the end of the day, I think models should reflect the people who purchase clothes - ALL of them. There are some women who are 6' tall and are very thin. Also there are women the same height who are very heavy. However, these are the extremes. Not the average.

While I think it's good to show some heavier women models, it seems HALF of the models are very overweight.

What about the rest of us????

Modcloth is opening a store in Soho NYC!
 
Old 03-14-2019, 10:40 AM
 
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Target is being inclusive. I saw an ad with a model with a prosthetic leg, another wearing a burka, and another sitting in a wheelchair. So having an overweight model isn't too farfetched.

I'm sure we all know that all this comes from all the social media complaints - and then the media reports it - about getting tired of seeing only white, skinny models in ads and how unrealistic that body is and that women come in all different sizes and shapes.

And no one is complaining about men, so that's why Target doesn't see it necessary to have men of different sizes.
Being in a wheelchair, having a prosthetic leg or wearing a burqa are not promoting an unhealthy lifestyle. It's different.


Fat is not = disabilities or clothing due to religious observances.
Fat is = drinking, drugs, smoking = unhealthy choices that can kill you.


We shouldn't be promoting that.
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