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Old 09-01-2013, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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I wouldn't buy a fur coat either, but dead animals don't need their fur ...sorry that was kind of a black joke.
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Old 09-04-2013, 05:37 AM
 
Location: New York
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Yes! I like your thought.
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Old 09-04-2013, 06:11 AM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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I don't have much respect for anti-fur sentiment from folks who eat meat and/or wear leather. On the other hand, I might not share a genuinely vegetarian/vegan worldview, but I respect those who commit to it honestly.

From a fashion point of view I think ostentatious furs look tacky. But I favor simple clothing in general.

Fur is a great comfort in extreme temps. A fur ruff is excellent skin protection.
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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I don't have much respect for anti-fur sentiment from folks who eat meat and/or wear leather. On the other hand, I might not share a genuinely vegetarian/vegan worldview, but I respect those who commit to it honestly.

From a fashion point of view I think ostentatious furs look tacky. But I favor simple clothing in general.

Fur is a great comfort in extreme temps. A fur ruff is excellent skin protection.
Well, it is a bit of an ethical quandry. Some would argue that killing not to eat is wrong, but that's what our stone age ancestors did, well I suppose they probably did eat the animal before using it's skin. Either way, killing is killing no matter what the purpose, and if we're talking animals raised in farms, is it really different for animals raised for food? One could argue though that fur is not a NEED, especially now, but then vegetarians could argue we don't NEED to eat meat to survive. One thing that hasn't been raised are farm raised crocodiles that are raised for their skins. You always hear about fur, but what about crocodile farms? I don't think I've heard PETA protesting much about them, yet it's the same isn't it?
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Old 09-04-2013, 10:33 PM
 
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Most the people in this thread raging about killing minks and muskrats have never seen or been close to a real one.

They are very viscous little b*****ds and can easily take a finger off.

They're a freaking rat that swims and is 3x meaner.

My drink where many hide.........


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Old 09-04-2013, 10:37 PM
 
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Ah yes....here we go.

DON'T even think about petting him or her if you value your hand and fingers.


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Old 09-05-2013, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Down the rabbit hole
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Most the people in this thread raging about killing minks and muskrats have never seen or been close to a real one.

They are very viscous little b*****ds and can easily take a finger off.

They're a freaking rat that swims and is 3x meaner.
Ya know............teenagers are vicious. Nobody's killing them.

So they're good fighters. Fierce about protecting their turf and their families.
I'd think you'd admire that.
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Old 09-14-2013, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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Well, it is a bit of an ethical quandry. Some would argue that killing not to eat is wrong, but that's what our stone age ancestors did, well I suppose they probably did eat the animal before using it's skin. Either way, killing is killing no matter what the purpose, and if we're talking animals raised in farms, is it really different for animals raised for food? One could argue though that fur is not a NEED, especially now, but then vegetarians could argue we don't NEED to eat meat to survive. One thing that hasn't been raised are farm raised crocodiles that are raised for their skins. You always hear about fur, but what about crocodile farms? I don't think I've heard PETA protesting much about them, yet it's the same isn't it?

Maybe if you're a certain type of Buddhist it's the same.
My compassion tends to run out the further an animal becomes from my ability to relate to it. I have no problem swatting a fly or mosquito. None at all.

'Though I believe vegetarians are honest and dedicated people, I have always gotten ill when I attempted it. Three times for almost a year each. I watched my diet carefully, took supplements, made sure I was getting complete protein, etc. I became ill each time, with something like the flu, and craved chicken each time. Each time after having the chicken I improved quickly. Maybe it was all the antibiotics that they feed chicken, what can I say?

So I agree with them in spirit, and feel sad that I cannot be one of them, but that's it for me. I would encourage others to try it because obviously some thrive on such a diet. My friend does.

I do think each person should do what he feels he can, though, to make this a better planet. I would not have leather furnishings, nor a coat; neither would I wear fur.
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Old 09-15-2013, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Maybe if you're a certain type of Buddhist it's the same.
My compassion tends to run out the further an animal becomes from my ability to relate to it. I have no problem swatting a fly or mosquito. None at all.

'Though I believe vegetarians are honest and dedicated people, I have always gotten ill when I attempted it. Three times for almost a year each. I watched my diet carefully, took supplements, made sure I was getting complete protein, etc. I became ill each time, with something like the flu, and craved chicken each time. Each time after having the chicken I improved quickly. Maybe it was all the antibiotics that they feed chicken, what can I say?

So I agree with them in spirit, and feel sad that I cannot be one of them, but that's it for me. I would encourage others to try it because obviously some thrive on such a diet. My friend does.

I do think each person should do what he feels he can, though, to make this a better planet. I would not have leather furnishings, nor a coat; neither would I wear fur.
Yes I'm a bit torn on the vegetarian issue. On one hand, I do believe meat forms a part of our natural diet, and well it's part of the 'circle of life', yet on another level, perhaps not harming or killing is one step to transcend the animal nature. Then again, if it's natural for us...but what is natural isn't always humane. Then again, we live in an imperfect world, and we can't be perfectly moral beings. I believe in the idea of the 'Fall', that it was never actually intended for animals to eat flesh, as wishy washy and ridiculous as that sounds. Of course, the lion we now know was created to eat flesh, so I think the 'lion lying down with the lamb' is symbolic of that sense of harmony and peace between all creatures. Yet, then again, maybe death really is a part of ALL existence at ALL levels, who knows.
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Old 09-17-2013, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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Yes I'm a bit torn on the vegetarian issue. On one hand, I do believe meat forms a part of our natural diet, and well it's part of the 'circle of life', yet on another level, perhaps not harming or killing is one step to transcend the animal nature. Then again, if it's natural for us...but what is natural isn't always humane. Then again, we live in an imperfect world, and we can't be perfectly moral beings. I believe in the idea of the 'Fall', that it was never actually intended for animals to eat flesh, as wishy washy and ridiculous as that sounds. Of course, the lion we now know was created to eat flesh, so I think the 'lion lying down with the lamb' is symbolic of that sense of harmony and peace between all creatures. Yet, then again, maybe death really is a part of ALL existence at ALL levels, who knows.
Well, everything in nature preys on something else for its survival. Because of our opposable thumb and higher intellect we have managed to have nothing preying on us - except certain microscopic parasites. So we end up upsetting the balance of nature and taking over the entire planet, so much so that both we and the planet are choking on our own refuse.

We have effectively limited the growth of other animals on the planet, but good planet husbandry should include limiting our own numbers as well. I'm all for capitalism but the concept of the necessity for an ever expanding market can only end in disaster at some point.
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