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Old 01-13-2010, 12:26 PM
 
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My friend growing up had pubic hair that went outside of her suit at 9. She also had dcups by 5th grade and got called fat. I know how much that bothered her because she would only swim at my house if I was there only. (of course her mom or my mom watching us) But it used to really upset her.

People making statements like "porn queen" is what makes it an issue. Its just HAIR.

Plus its not like what you look like does not matter in the real adult world. Why tell your kid some BS fluffy lie that "its whats inside that matters"

If that was true them people would not go around slinging crap about what you look like = porn star etc.
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Old 01-13-2010, 12:41 PM
 
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The ten-year-old with lots of dark hair who was afraid of being teased at camp? I guess.

But a six-or eight-year-old with nothing there? The people running that salon are sickos.
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Old 01-13-2010, 01:12 PM
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My friend growing up had pubic hair that went outside of her suit at 9. She also had dcups by 5th grade and got called fat. I know how much that bothered her because she would only swim at my house if I was there only. (of course her mom or my mom watching us) But it used to really upset her.

People making statements like "porn queen" is what makes it an issue. Its just HAIR.

Plus its not like what you look like does not matter in the real adult world. Why tell your kid some BS fluffy lie that "its whats inside that matters"

If that was true them people would not go around slinging crap about what you look like = porn star etc.
As the author of the post that included the "porn queen" I really must wonder if you actually read the article. Sure, it's just HAIR, but it is attached to an impressionable, vulnerable CHILD. I am sure that readers of the fashion forum are all too familiar with your own genital grooming habits from another thread, and I do believe you are failing to see what is at question here.

Would you take your six year old child to get her pubic area waxed, in order for her to possibly kill her follicles before they ever have a chance to develop? As contrary as it may seem to you, not all women want to be "bald" down there and it should be a personal choice. What if she grows up and resents you for taking away her chance of ever growing any pubic hair? We are not talking about the rare-as-unicorns girls who grow a full bush at 9 - we're talking about women who are transferring their own neuroses onto their young daughters. Here's a few quotes from the article, to save you the trouble of having to click and hunt:

“The first thing I had to do was try and stay calm, and not yell ‘What are you thinking?’ ” said Engle. “This wasn’t about the girl developing hair early — it was the mother’s obsession with wanting her daughter to be a supermodel.”


Engle says that the mothers who bring their daughters in for waxing come in two varieties: those who are concerned because their children are being teased about their body hair, and those she calls “perfectionists.”

“Sometimes mothers are clearly overcritical,” Engle said.

“I had a mother who brought her daughter in, pulled up her shirt and asked us to wax the girl’s back. The hair didn’t seem to be bothering the little girl, but the mom was embarrassed and wanted it done,” Fisher recounted. “I told the mom to wait until the child wanted it, but she refused.” The girl, Fisher added, was 6 years old.

“Girls shouldn’t be taught so early to focus on how they look and that things like money, makeup and looking good buy happiness, instead of the skills that they possess,” Levin said. “Should parents feed into that negativity or create an environment to help girls resist it?”

And from the poll:

TODAY's Question
Should children under 12 years old be able to get leg and/or bikini waxes? * 14360 responses

Yes. Waxing is just another part of good grooming.
18%

No. Telling kids that this is okay sends them the wrong message about body image.
82%
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Old 01-13-2010, 01:18 PM
 
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It is interesting how some people want to alter children's bodies with peircings, painful waxing, even tattoos. Why not just wait until the child is older and let them decide. Of course if there is a big problem (which I have never seen in an 8 yr old but probably does happen rarely) that would be an exception, but I suspect it is mostly parental vanity. That woman who wants to screw around with little girls follicles, if that is even true about affecting growth, is a nutcase and should be investigated. It is possible that the follicles could be stimulated and produce more hair growth or that waxing it at that stage could distort it and make hair grow in some strange way. Why not just give the little girls electrolysis on their "virgin hair".
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Old 01-13-2010, 01:40 PM
 
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As the author of the post that included the "porn queen" I really must wonder if you actually read the article. Sure, it's just HAIR, but it is attached to an impressionable, vulnerable CHILD. I am sure that readers of the fashion forum are all too familiar with your own genital grooming habits from another thread, and I do believe you are failing to see what is at question here.

Would you take your six year old child to get her pubic area waxed, in order for her to possibly kill her follicles before they ever have a chance to develop? As contrary as it may seem to you, not all women want to be "bald" down there and it should be a personal choice. What if she grows up and resents you for taking away her chance of ever growing any pubic hair? We are not talking about the rare-as-unicorns girls who grow a full bush at 9 - we're talking about women who are transferring their own neuroses onto their young daughters. Here's a few quotes from the article, to save you the trouble of having to click and hunt:

“The first thing I had to do was try and stay calm, and not yell ‘What are you thinking?’ ” said Engle. “This wasn’t about the girl developing hair early — it was the mother’s obsession with wanting her daughter to be a supermodel.”


Engle says that the mothers who bring their daughters in for waxing come in two varieties: those who are concerned because their children are being teased about their body hair, and those she calls “perfectionists.”

“Sometimes mothers are clearly overcritical,” Engle said.

“I had a mother who brought her daughter in, pulled up her shirt and asked us to wax the girl’s back. The hair didn’t seem to be bothering the little girl, but the mom was embarrassed and wanted it done,” Fisher recounted. “I told the mom to wait until the child wanted it, but she refused.” The girl, Fisher added, was 6 years old.

“Girls shouldn’t be taught so early to focus on how they look and that things like money, makeup and looking good buy happiness, instead of the skills that they possess,” Levin said. “Should parents feed into that negativity or create an environment to help girls resist it?”

And from the poll:

TODAY's Question
Should children under 12 years old be able to get leg and/or bikini waxes? * 14360 responses

Yes. Waxing is just another part of good grooming.
18%

No. Telling kids that this is okay sends them the wrong message about body image.
82%
A bikini wax is NOT a full on pubic wax. I think the full on pubic wax is creepy because I would not want some stranger touching my kid in that area and making them think that was ok. (you have to press the skin after the rip). That is a logical reason. What is your logical reason? The fear that she won't turn on some man with a full on bush later on? Isnt that just teaching the same thing if not something worse? I don't think I any female would ever complain about not having to shave the bikini line unless they had a hair fetish.
Get real.

And women pay 1000's of dollars to get light treatments in hopes that they won't have to shave again.

And any parent that focus on looks alone or skills alone is not a well rounded parent. Just because you take your kid to a salon to get waxed does not make you a bad parent. To lie to your kid or tell them looks don't matter is just cruel and stupid.

Parents force kids to go to school for stuff they don't want, wear crap they don't want, say stuff they don't want, be nice to people they don't want to.

Some people even pierce BABY ears. <---that one is wacky to me.

How about the parents that took the daughters in to get HPV shots that actually died or got very ill..mmmm

But no one scolded them for that!
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Old 01-13-2010, 03:01 PM
 
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I'm curious at what age all the women here started shaving. Anyone else care to share? Like I said, I started at 11 and there was real hair there, not just peach fuzz.
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Old 01-13-2010, 03:27 PM
 
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Somehow in the 70s 80s and before that girls and women survived without all this pubic hair removal. Somehow we all went swimming and no one had to do this. Maybe it's the suits they are wearing now. I don't even want to know. I've seen suits that have the little boy-short legs and they are really cute. Nothing would stick out of that. In most cases nothing would stick out of a standard suit so maybe keep the little girls out of g-strings.
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Old 01-13-2010, 03:36 PM
 
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Well in the 80's my friend had a normal full cut leg. (not french cut as was the trend) It still poked out. She was a dark haired italian girl. The hormones in the water we drink is bringing girls to puberty at an even younger age though. That is what should be bothering you more than this of all things.
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Old 01-13-2010, 04:08 PM
 
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Well in the 80's my friend had a normal full cut leg. (not french cut as was the trend) It still poked out. She was a dark haired italian girl. The hormones in the water we drink is bringing girls to puberty at an even younger age though. That is what should be bothering you more than this of all things.
Very much so. The hormones are in everything, and I wonder about these girls getting female cancers later in life due to early exposure to estrogen. Totally understandable about the friend with the hair issue, but waxing is becoming the norm, even if one doesn't have such an extreme case. Some just think it is too young to set them up for this. Most young girls just want to emulate older girls who they think are cool. It's relatively new that we just indulge their whims to do so.
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Old 01-13-2010, 04:14 PM
 
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The article sounded as if the girls hair was being 'shaped' while waxing . That makes no sense, and is IMO wrong.

However, if a preteen girl does need waxing for her bikini, I don't see anything wrong with that.
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