08-14-2010, 01:07 PM
Location: Anchorage
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As inconvenient as it can be (and I was a divorced mom of 5), I never left my kids in the car, not even to run in and pay for gas. I just don't get people. I don't like having kids in the store but the risk is not worth it.
I sure feel for that family with the baby who died....I used to have dreams that I forgot my child somewhere but thank God that never happened.
08-14-2010, 02:02 PM
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I think our hearts have to go out to everyone involved in this horrible tragedy. The poor little toddler, the mommy and daddy and the siblings. Obviously from the remarks, this wasn't a reckless father, he made a horrible mistake and yes, I do understand how it could happen.
Many years ago, after having only 1 child for almost 4 years we adopted a darling baby girl. About 2 weeks after we got her we decided to take in a drive in movie one night. We got everything in the car, including our almost 4 year old. As we were driving out she said to me: mommy, can Mary Colleen take care of herself while we are gone. We had totally forgotten the baby and obviously we were anything but neglectful parents.
No, I can not imagine leaving a child in a hot car for any reason nor leaving an animal, but I do see how these things can happen. There is only one God in our world so that makes the rest of us human, and being human mistakes are made. This was a mistake that the family will live with forever...
NIta
I had the same thing happen . My last child was so good, he slept and ate when he was first born. More than ONCE we would gather up the other two in the car and then be as much as five miles away when someone would hollor..'O NO, WE FORGOT THE BABY AGAIN"
08-14-2010, 02:13 PM
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As inconvenient as it can be (and I was a divorced mom of 5), I never left my kids in the car, not even to run in and pay for gas. I just don't get people. I don't like having kids in the store but the risk is not worth it.
I sure feel for that family with the baby who died....I used to have dreams that I forgot my child somewhere but thank God that never happened.
Yeah well, in my day in the 1980's people were scared to death to leave their kids anywhere, especially, not in the car alone. There were too many kids getting taken. Your kids weren't even safe in the grocery cart!
Turn your back and they would be gone. That happened to a friend of mine who had an absolutely beautiful 3 year old daughter. She was in the grocery cart and my friend left the cart to look at some produce. She turned around and her child was gone! She immediately run out the store and saw a man caring her child to a car and she went yelling and screaming at the top of her lungs and let me tell you, attracted attention. The car was surrounded by other people and she took her child back. The man said he wanted to show his wife the beautiful child.
I would sooner leave my children home than in the car or in the store with me at that time. Even when they went out to play, I was there outside every minute. And we lived in the rurals!
08-14-2010, 06:26 PM
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I had the same thing happen . My last child was so good, he slept and ate when he was first born. More than ONCE we would gather up the other two in the car and then be as much as five miles away when someone would hollor..'O NO, WE FORGOT THE BABY AGAIN"
aT least it wasn't summer or winter and they are no worse for wear, now that they are grown. Of maybe they are, maybe that is why she says she suffers from middle child syndrom...
Nita
08-14-2010, 07:23 PM
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This is a tragic story. I can see how it could happen. Especially if mom and dad took turns dropping off at daycare. I'm from the boonies and when my kids were little I left them in the car to pay for gas or stort things like that where I could see them. Now, with my grandkids, I never leave them. Things have changed a little. We lost my second husbands only daughter in a car accident when she was 18. My heart goes out to this family. It will be with them forever.
08-15-2010, 11:38 PM
Location: Arkansas
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This is a horrific story! I feel so bad for the family involved. I totally understand how this can and did happen.
A few years ago, I was on my way to school (college) and had my son in the back seat. He was sitting so quietly that I forgot he was in the car with me and I took him to school with me! I didn't realise it until I pulled into the parking lot so I had to call my babysitter and let her know that I would not be coming to her house. Then, I had to drag him around with me all day~ after that, I never forgot! Having a 2 year old at college with you is a good reminder of why you hired a sitter to begin with!
08-16-2010, 07:49 AM
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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This is a horrific story! I feel so bad for the family involved. I totally understand how this can and did happen.
A few years ago, I was on my way to school (college) and had my son in the back seat. He was sitting so quietly that I forgot he was in the car with me and I took him to school with me! I didn't realise it until I pulled into the parking lot so I had to call my babysitter and let her know that I would not be coming to her house. Then, I had to drag him around with me all day~ after that, I never forgot! Having a 2 year old at college with you is a good reminder of why you hired a sitter to begin with!
Like my experience with forgetting our baby, your story is cute and luckily no damage was done, but you will never forget. I know we will never forget and it has been over 45 years. Anyone who thinks it couldn't happen to them needs to think again. We are all human, we make mistakes, most cause no harm and can be a reminder of how human we are (often with a funny ending) too bad some people are a little on the self righteos side and think it would never happen.
08-24-2010, 03:07 AM
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Seriously? The real issue is being avoided!!!! Memory is not the issue!!!! Why in the world did he not take the child to the hospital to be checked out?! Regardless of whether he forgot his responsibility is for the safety of his child!!!! I'm sure that his job would not have been compromised in order to rush his child to the emergency room! This discussion is absolutely mind boggling!!! Were not talking about running cars left unattended!!! We are talking abou a human life!!!!!!!
08-24-2010, 05:29 AM
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Seriously? The real issue is being avoided!!!! Memory is not the issue!!!! Why in the world did he not take the child to the hospital to be checked out?! Regardless of whether he forgot his responsibility is for the safety of his child!!!! I'm sure that his job would not have been compromised in order to rush his child to the emergency room! This discussion is absolutely mind boggling!!! Were not talking about running cars left unattended!!! We are talking abou a human life!!!!!!!
Yes, we are talking about a human life, but we are talking about a mistake and they do happen. It is a moment in his life that will haunt him forever. I am sure we can all judge, but we were not there, we do not know how we would have responded. Now, our prayers and thoughts have to go out to the entire family. Pointing fingers or second guessing will not bring this child back.
I know, I am not God, so I have made many mistakes. I think of all those times my actions or lack of same could have caused serious problems. Some of these thoughts scare me today, but like, most of us, I have been lucky. No one was ever hurt or killed. Each of us have done things we wish we could undo or are thankful turned out ok.
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08-24-2010, 08:14 AM
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Many years ago we adopted two babies. I was disabled at the time, still am. There was so much backlasah when I joined the "motherhood" club. I'd obviously wandered into a club I didn't belong, and other members of the "good mother club" never missed a chance to let me know it. How can you take care of a baby, let alone two? No, never any kind words, never any support, neither practical nor psychological. Hey, you waltzed into our club, you're on your own.
Guess what? I never "forgot" my children, not even for a second. I never just left them for a second to dash in for an errand, leaving the car running. And that was two children to grapple with, along with my disabilities. So, hmmmm...................perhaps I belonged to the "good mother club" after all? Its a matter of using your brain and accepting responsibility.
Every year we hear more and more of these stories about children being left in cars to die. I bet it wasn't so much the parents forgot as they were simply too lazy to take the child with them on what they thought was going to be a quick errand, then something happened to distract them. hey, getting a kid in and out of his car seat is a hassle, for me it was x2 everywhere I went. Sometimes I buckled and unbuckled them 20x/day, running errands. Then I had to carry dd, ds was barely toddling, I don't know which was worse, carrying an infant or chasing after the other. All that just to run into the store for a quick loaf of bread and milk. Why not just leave them for a few minutes? Because they were my responsibility, not my convenience item.
Come on, folks, if a disabled person who's somehow "defective" can assume the responsibility for two lives, why can't so called "normal" people assume the responsibility for one little life?
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People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)