02-10-2019, 11:18 PM
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What an embarrassment to the region. A stump dump fire bringing the states most prosperous metro to its knees and begging for help from the Feds. Hopefully those responsible are held to account
Well no, this isn't happening by any measure. The surrounding metro area doesn't give a quack. But the state, which already on its knees, might have to grovel even more.
02-13-2019, 03:24 PM
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My wife and I had been looking forward to visiting BV next month to get an in-person tour to see if BV is the place for us to plop down in our retirement. But I must admit, our enthusiasm about BV has dwindled considerably over the perceived lack of leadership by the POA. What little facts are known seem very fishy to us. In fact their silence is being heard very loudly. I would think ideally that a POA would be proactive and informative about a situation such as this to it's members. But alas, they are silent. One can only assume they have been lawyered up, and are advised to remain quiet. We have read that the first lawsuits against the POA and BV have been filed and I'm sure there will be many more. Our fear right now about moving forward on a possible purchase there is, what if BVPOA is found negligent or possibly worse? Would the property owners be liable for the mismanagement of the POA? Listen, we are from Illinois so we know how the innocent must foot the bill for the corrupt. No sharing of the profits, just sharing of the losses. Maybe we are a bit paranoid about this but we only get one retirement in life and we want to get it right. So, sadly we are beginning to look in other areas for our next home. We aren't ruling BV out of the running but it's not at the top of our list right now. We truly hope the best for everyone there especially the folks that live nearby and are affected the most! We will continue to follow this story as best we can.
02-13-2019, 08:21 PM
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We’re a young family considering relocating to NWA, so not in the same life stage, but we have ruled out BV entirely due to the stump dump fire. We spend lots of time outside every day and I don’t want my children breathing in that mess, regardless of it it’s not every day and sometimes below the max level deemed safe. I understand it’s somewhat isolated, but we’re not taking any chances of new ones popping up (heard there was a smaller one in another part of town and others that aren’t alight...yet). I feel so badly for those affected, but I also feel the POA needs to get its act together. It definitely casts a shadow over the entire town to people looking at it from an outsider’s perspective. We’d still consider Fayetteville and some other towns in the region, but fair or not, BV is off the list.
02-13-2019, 09:17 PM
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We’re a young family considering relocating to NWA, so not in the same life stage, but we have ruled out BV entirely due to the stump dump fire. We spend lots of time outside every day and I don’t want my children breathing in that mess, regardless of it it’s not every day and sometimes below the max level deemed safe. I understand it’s somewhat isolated, but we’re not taking any chances of new ones popping up (heard there was a smaller one in another part of town and others that aren’t alight...yet). I feel so badly for those affected, but I also feel the POA needs to get its act together. It definitely casts a shadow over the entire town to people looking at it from an outsider’s perspective. We’d still consider Fayetteville and some other towns in the region, but fair or not, BV is off the list.
Sugoi, it's very understandable you would have concerns for your family's well being. Presently, the air quality is an issue. No one can dispute that this is not an issue right now. And truly, if I were in your shoes I would feel the same way. But my issue is, as a prospective buyer say in 6 mos. to a year from now, chances are this SHOULD be remedied by then?? But my fear as a new owner, am I now on the hook to pay my fair share towards the tab of remedying the situation that was created ( not even saying whose guilty) before my purchase? To add to that, what if the POA were found to be negligent in operating a landfill with no oversight? Now cha-ching more $$$$ is needed to pay off lawsuit payouts. But now if an investigation shows more than negligence, more lawsuits...and what then? It is my understanding that as a shareholder in a poa (new or old) you would own a part of the responsibility. This is what scares me presently.
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02-14-2019, 09:06 AM
Location: Chisago Lakes, Minnesota
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sadly we are beginning to look in other areas for our next home. We aren't ruling BV out of the running but it's not at the top of our list right now. We truly hope the best for everyone there especially the folks that live nearby and are affected the most! We will continue to follow this story as best we can.
I don't blame you. I wouldn't touch that area right now with no resolution in sight for that fire and the pending litigation that will likely take years to unfold. What a shame, that is such a beautiful spot.
Are you going to look elsewhere in Arkansas?
02-14-2019, 10:19 AM
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Yes it is a shame on many levels. The worst is upon those poor folks that live very near this environmental hot potato. The next affected group is the homeowners in ALL of BV, as their property values are presently diminished because of the limbo that the POA board put the owners in. This likely as you say could take several years to play out. I did ask a friend that is a lawyer about this situation. He said state laws can vary a great deal so his opinion is just that without knowing Arkansas law. POA boards typically carry liability insurance on themselves. Let's say BV's POA board is insured for 10 million dollars, if litigation suits end up totalling 20 million owed, the homeowners of the POA are liable for that extra 10 million. Now they could sue as well, but as you can see, this is not good. None of it. As I said earlier, the innocent do not share in the profits, they only share in the losses. Very sad situation for all involved.
02-14-2019, 10:51 AM
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I fail to see any way the poa could make the home owners liable for monetary damages due to the stump dump fire. Dues increases must be voted by the homeowners, and there's no way we would vote for the poa to get more money. What, you think they can just send us all a bill to cover fire remediation and lawsuit losses? don't be absurd.
02-14-2019, 11:13 AM
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Duke, it is my understanding that the POA board represents the individual property owners on the whole. And how are they placed on the board? The owners voted them in. In joining a poa you give up some of your individual rights and follow the guidance and by-laws laid out by those you voted for.
02-14-2019, 11:25 AM
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The poa is a nonprofit corporation. There is zero chance the homeowners can be sued for it's actions or debts, or be held responsible for them. If you don't want to move here because of the poa that's understandable, but don't make your decision because you are worried about getting hit with unforseen bills.
https://bellavistapoa.com/wp-content...orporation.pdf
More info:
https://bellavistapoa.com/governance...ing-documents/
02-14-2019, 11:59 AM
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Duke, we are fearful of yes the BVPOA and how they appear to operate. We ultimately are fearful of diminished property values as a result of POA actions or lack of actions. We wish the innocent people there all the luck possible in coming to an end with no losses. Unfortunately the ugly politics of federal and state government looks to be closer to home as well.
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People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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